Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: sedu'u and ko

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:15 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

"cmavo clusters" in jbovlaste are somewhat messy, from what I've seen.
http://camxes.lojban.org/camxes/?text=se+du%27u+broda

The {se} still acts on {du'u}, not {du'u broda}.

Whatever comes after a NU, until the {kei} (elided or not), is "eaten" by the NU.

So {[zo'e] du'u broda [kei] [zo'e]} means "x1 is predication "broda" expressed in sentence x2".

{se} merely switches the x1 and x2 of {du'u}.

So, for example:

du'u mi nelci lo blanu kei zoi gy. I like Blue. .gy

and

.i zoi gy. I like Blue. .gy se du'u mi nelci lo blanu

are equivalent.

You may want to read http://dag.github.com/cll/11/7/

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 7 Sie, 08:02, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:49 PM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Definition of {du'u}:
> > x1 is predication [bridi] expressed in sentence x2
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> > So {se} works not directly on {du'u}, but on {du'u broda}, wich means
> > 'x1 is a fact of broda expressed in sentence x2'. Then {lo du'u broda}
> > means 'a fact of broda' and {lo se du'u} means 'a sentence expressing
> > a fact of broda'.
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> No. [se} works directly on {du'u}.

> sedu'u<http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/sedu%27u>

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> mu'o mi'e ianek
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> > On 7 Sie, 06:02, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 August 2012 23:51:58 Luke Bergen wrote:
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> > > > Is that true? If it were "lo du'u mi prami do" it would be true for
> > sure.
> > > > But isn't "sedu'u" the text which expresses the bridi x1?
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> > > > sedu'u has always kind of confused me. It's not a bridi, it's a "text
> > > > expressing [bridi] which is x2", but not the kind of "text" that you
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> > > > with lu li'u?
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> > > "do cusku lo sedu'u mi prami do" is equivalent to "do cusku lu do prami
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> > > li'u" (except that in the first case it could have been said in Greek or
> > > Ithkuil or anything else).
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> > > Pierre
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