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Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban Lujvo - My First Attempts
Coi Pierre,
I am a little surprised that no gismu for "scale" had been contrived during the invention process. Well, I guess I will make do with "kapkarda." But when I think about it, "kapkardamantyctimabru" would be a very long word to use conventionally, so I think using a fi'uvla would be better here. "Gurmabru" could also be used for the armadillo, which also rolls into a ball.
On the frog life-stages, I feel that since the larvae of frogs and toads are very distinct from their adult counterparts - while the larvae of salamanders are not so much save for their gills and number of legs, "cifpi'ebanfi," "ci'orpi'ebanfi," etc. for "tadpole," "froglet/metamorphizing tadpole," etc. would remain fine if one wants to refer specifically to frogs and toads. However, if one wants to refer to amphibians in general, the terms you suggested aren't disagreeable either. Lincro suggested "jbi(pi'e)banfi" if I wanted to express that a metamorphizing tadpole is an "almost/near-frog." Perhaps I will use that to describe an evolutionary ancestor of frogs. As for the axolotl, well:
le aclotli. ci'orbanfi.
Or what I hope to be correctly saying:
"The axolotl remains young."
On possible words for extinction, could the "jutmro" that you proposed be placed like this:
x1 is/is made extinct by x2 through/by means of x3.
Also, if, for example, I wanted to say "the extinction of the dodo," would I say:
la jutmro. le dodo.
mu'o mi'e cariar.jermanis.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:01:01 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 18:28:30 cariar.jermanis wrote:
> Coi ro do,
>
> I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo
> (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain
> English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
>
> *Animals:*
>
> - pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here I
> am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the
> sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings
> of a butterfly or moth.
"scale" is "kapyplita", but Turnip's suggestion of "karda" makes sense too;
I'd say "kapkarda" rather than the other way around. But for "pangolin" I'd
say "pangolino" (which is a fu'ivla, not a lujvo) or "gurmabru" (translating
from Malay).
> - tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog),
> on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
> - froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
> - newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno +
> pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
I'd say "cifybanfi", "ci'orbanfi", and "ma'urbanfi", as long as the context
makes it clear whether I'm talking about frogs or salamanders. There's also
the "aclotli".
> *Ecology:*
>
> - extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing
> extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
> - extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused
> by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno + nunmro)
I say "jutmro" for "extinct".
> Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for
> "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me
> know what you all think!
>
> Tu'u,
> cariar.jermanis.
You mean "mu'o mi'e". "tu'u" is the terminator of "tu'e", which is used to
group together several sentences.
Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:01:01 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 18:28:30 cariar.jermanis wrote:
> Coi ro do,
>
> I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo
> (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain
> English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
>
> *Animals:*
>
> - pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here I
> am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the
> sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings
> of a butterfly or moth.
"scale" is "kapyplita", but Turnip's suggestion of "karda" makes sense too;
I'd say "kapkarda" rather than the other way around. But for "pangolin" I'd
say "pangolino" (which is a fu'ivla, not a lujvo) or "gurmabru" (translating
from Malay).
> - tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog),
> on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
> - froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
> - newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno +
> pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
I'd say "cifybanfi", "ci'orbanfi", and "ma'urbanfi", as long as the context
makes it clear whether I'm talking about frogs or salamanders. There's also
the "aclotli".
> *Ecology:*
>
> - extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing
> extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
> - extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused
> by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno + nunmro)
I say "jutmro" for "extinct".
> Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for
> "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me
> know what you all think!
>
> Tu'u,
> cariar.jermanis.
You mean "mu'o mi'e". "tu'u" is the terminator of "tu'e", which is used to
group together several sentences.
Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:01:01 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 18:28:30 cariar.jermanis wrote:
> Coi ro do,
>
> I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo
> (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain
> English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
>
> *Animals:*
>
> - pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here I
> am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the
> sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings
> of a butterfly or moth.
"scale" is "kapyplita", but Turnip's suggestion of "karda" makes sense too;
I'd say "kapkarda" rather than the other way around. But for "pangolin" I'd
say "pangolino" (which is a fu'ivla, not a lujvo) or "gurmabru" (translating
from Malay).
> - tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog),
> on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
> - froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
> - newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno +
> pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
I'd say "cifybanfi", "ci'orbanfi", and "ma'urbanfi", as long as the context
makes it clear whether I'm talking about frogs or salamanders. There's also
the "aclotli".
> *Ecology:*
>
> - extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing
> extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
> - extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused
> by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno + nunmro)
I say "jutmro" for "extinct".
> Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for
> "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me
> know what you all think!
>
> Tu'u,
> cariar.jermanis.
You mean "mu'o mi'e". "tu'u" is the terminator of "tu'e", which is used to
group together several sentences.
Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:01:01 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday 14 August 2012 18:28:30 cariar.jermanis wrote:
> Coi ro do,
>
> I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo
> (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain
> English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
>
> *Animals:*
>
> - pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here I
> am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the
> sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings
> of a butterfly or moth.
"scale" is "kapyplita", but Turnip's suggestion of "karda" makes sense too;
I'd say "kapkarda" rather than the other way around. But for "pangolin" I'd
say "pangolino" (which is a fu'ivla, not a lujvo) or "gurmabru" (translating
from Malay).
> - tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog),
> on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
> - froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
> - newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno +
> pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
I'd say "cifybanfi", "ci'orbanfi", and "ma'urbanfi", as long as the context
makes it clear whether I'm talking about frogs or salamanders. There's also
the "aclotli".
> *Ecology:*
>
> - extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing
> extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
> - extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused
> by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno + nunmro)
I say "jutmro" for "extinct".
> Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for
> "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me
> know what you all think!
>
> Tu'u,
> cariar.jermanis.
You mean "mu'o mi'e". "tu'u" is the terminator of "tu'e", which is used to
group together several sentences.
Pierre
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
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