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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zoi gy. Plato is a friend, but the truth is a greater friend. gy. se fanva fu ma



.i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i lo ni go'i ku se zmadu lo ni mi prami lo ka jetnu} li'u

.i .i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i se mau lo ni go'i ku mi prami lo ka jetnu} li'u

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth
> more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon}
> since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).

You're right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn't aware
of his Greek name. Certainly, it's more appropriate.

> So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka
> jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)]
>

That isn't a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but was
more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same
problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like "love"
as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone
else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true?
Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there's no
objective way to say that it's no good, not to mention that I don't
really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it.

Considering all that:
.i mi broda la. platon .e ku'i mau bo lo nu jetnu
 
  lo ni mi prami la platon ku no'u  li za'u no cu se zmadu lo ni mi prami loi ka jetnu

;-)
           --gejyspa

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