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Re: [lojban-beginners] The doing of something as a sumti



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{pu'u}, along with {nu}'s other "disciples" like {zu'o}, are a subclass of {nu}. If using {nu} seems weird, then using any of the more specific ones like {pu'u} or {zu'o} is also weird. 

jdice's x2 wants a {du'u} (or something that refers to one). 

For starters, {lo du'u mi certu la lojban} isn't quite right because {la lojban} is concrete: it refers to the language. You can't have skill *at a language*, but you can have skill at speaking it, or writing it, or some combination of those. You can be explicit and use a full abstraction in certu2, such as {mi certu lo ka ce'u se bangu la lojban}, but considering how unnecessarily lengthy that is, you can replace the abstraction with a tu'a-construction: {mi certu tu'a la lojban}

Next, {mi certu tu'a la lojban} has another problem. It'd mean "I have skill at [some abstraction involving] Lojban," whereas you mean it to mean "I intend to become skillful at [some abstraction involving] Lojban." To get that "become", we can simply shove {binxo} into the mix: {mi binxo lo ka [ce'u] certu tu'a la lojban}, or use a lujvo form such as {mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}.

As for the level higher, simply replacing your {pu'u} with {du'u} is perhaps enough: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}. But that bridi is very passive; you could simply be describing yourself. The English has to do with intention more than decision. Including intention into the jdice2 would be the ideal solution, I think. Doing so can be done simply in the form of an attitudinal such as {.ai} ({lo du'u .ai mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}) or by mixing in {zukte} which is how I believe intention is best handled (others will certainly suggest other methods) : {lo du'u mi zukte lo ka crebi'o tu'a la lojban}, or again, an equivalent lujvo form {lo du'u mi crebi'ozu'e tu'a la lojban}.

Finally, passing that du'u-sumti we just created to jdice2 does the trick: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'ozu'e tu'a la lojban}, but hey, it turns out that we can lujvo this even further! {.i mi crebi'ozu'ejdi tu'a la lojban}, but making proper lujvo is a more complicated subject still. 

In the full form, including all the abstractions, the solution I propose turns out being {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi zukte lo ka binxo lo ka certu lo ka ce'u se bangu la lojban}. Aren't lujvo a blast?

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 8 October 2012 14:13, <martinw92@gmail.com> wrote:
I was attempting to phrase "I have decided to learn Lojban". I get "I have decided" as: "puku mi jdice" for the first part. I have as the process of becoming skilled at lojban: "lo pu'u mi certu la lojban".

Can I use this in x2 of jdice? It seems like a decision should be in there opposed to the abstract concept "the processing of becoming skilled at Lojban". Or does using it in x2 of jdice make the process the thing I have decided to embark on?

ki'e

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