Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure vs. grammatical morphemes

[mashers <mail@mashley.net>]

On Sunday, 14 October 2012 14:36:12 UTC+1, gleki  wrote:

How can you learn Spanish/Japanese/whatever if you speak  English?

Well, the same way I learn any language - by studying the phonology, vocabulary and grammar. Lojban is no different in that respect :)

 

The place structure of lojban is pretty clear. Even it's definition describe all places.

This is usually not the case in textbooks of other languages.

Oh I didn't mean to suggest that Lojban was in any way unclear. As I said in my first post, I love the regularity of the language and the fact that it's so well documented.

 

You have to figure out how prepositions/case-markers/whatever work in any language.

In the case of lojban there is dictionary and a textbook (only in English yet).

The literature on Lojban is definitely invaluable. I'm just getting my head around the grammar, and my main point really is that the place structure requires one to learn not just the label of the brivla, but also the positions of all of its sumti. My dyslexia is making it tricky for me to learn all of this information related to one symbol, and in my current mindset a set of morphemes which could (potentially) apply to any symbol would be easier as it would create more overlap (i.e. the morphemes could be learned once and then applied to any other symbol). I'm still playing on Memrise and am finding that I'm learning the vocabulary, but the place structure of the brivla is still not sticking in my memory (although I can remember the brivla's name (if that is the correct term)).

 

Lojban is the most flexible language I've ever met. So I wanna use both sumtcita and brivla. They just look like different styles of Lojban.

Do you think that they might emerge as different [pragmatic] styles? E.g. one a formal tone and another less formal?

 

Believe me (I'm not a fanatic of Lojban), if you learn Lojban then understanding the syntax of other  languages will be much easier.

I've read that in the Lojban literature. Could you provide some insight into how this works practically? Lojban grammar is unlike any I've come across before, so I'm interested to learn how its principles can be applied when learning natural languages. 

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