Re: [lojban-beginners] [a] vs [æ]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:08 AM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

I learnt Spanish in school, but I don't know whether I was pronouncing the vowels exactly. As for your examples, the 'a' line seems like a random jumble of open-back-ish sounds, with "Iran" fitting on the 'æ' line (basically [ɪ] + "ran"). Our accents are too different to compare.

"Iran" has two pronunciations, the "correct" one, wherein the i and a are both short (, fit, pall)), and the English screw-up, in which it sounds like you're saying "I ran (a marathon)".

I've just remembered about a video I made a couple of months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COnrPtFkuxc&feature=plcp. I think I've got better since that, but my 'a' sound is basically the same.

On Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:18:08 AM UTC, aionys wrote:
If you ever took Latin, or possibly any of the Romance languages, the vowels possibly excepting .ybu are pronounced exactly the same as in that language.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I made a mistake. Lojban long-a is {.ei}, not {.ai}. {.ai} is long-i.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:04 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm wondering whether I'm pronouncing Lojban's 'a' too high, and I can't find a comparison of [æ] and [a] anywhere. It was mentioned somewhere else that Lojbanising the vowel of "hat" is difficult/obfuscating. However, I find it easy to interpret a Lojban 'a' as a plain English 'a' (as in, recognising {la .kamryn.} is easy, but {la .nikylys.} isn't).

Note that my English vowels are from Yorkshire, meaning that the 'a' sound is probably typical of northern England.

I assume æ is the sound of the "a" in hat, yes? I'm not sure what you mean by a Plain English 'a'", since an English 'a' has at least three different pronunciations even without accounting for accents, but these are some examples of words that- for me at least- have the same sounding as:

'a': hot, father, call, dark, far, pall, Iran (la.iran., not "I ran")....
"æ": pat, math, pal, cap, ran....

"A": mate, pail, ray, date....

In Lojban, the first and last are zo.a and lu .ai li'u, respectively. The best way to render æ in Lojban I can think of is lu .ae li'u, but that's not a legal diphthong.

Finally, .ybu isn't usually an "a" in English. It's pronounced exactly the same as "uh", and its sound is usually found as "u" in English words: putt, shut, rudder....

It is of course possible that these example words aren't pronounced the same by both of us, since I speak U.S.E. and you speak B.C.E., but it's my hope they are.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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