Re: [lojban-beginners] Fullstop

[Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net>]

Oo, I mean why don't you take the full stop out and put the space? Besides, how do you pronounce words that have a full stop in themhis When I try to pause within the word, it sounds like there needs to be an apostrophe or something? 

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

Why would you want to elide two words together like that, when you can just space between them?

Firstly, it's not eliding. The pauses are required by the grammar of Lojban, and {na.e} takes one less character than {na .e}. Furthermore, not having the space serves to visually group the words together, subtly signalling to readers that the two words are linked. With {na.e}, for example, the {na} modifies the {.e}, and in fact, the {na} makes no sense without the {.e}, and the {.e} means something else entirely without the {na}.

A .e B = A and B: "1 .e 1" = 1
A na.e B = !A and B, (not A) and B: "1 na.e 1" = "0 .e 1" = 0
A .enai B = A and !B, A and (not B): "1 .enai 1" = "1 .e 0" = 0
 

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On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 13:18:39 Annie wrote:
>> All that makes since, the full stop separating one word from a word that
>> begins a vowel and all. However, I've seen it in the middle of words
>> before. What's that for? Sent from my iPod
>
> It's actually separating two words, but they're written run together. For
> example:
>
> la .kot.divu� na.e la .pyd. xazdo
> C�d'Ivoire not-and Tibet Asian
> C�d'Ivoire is not Asian, but Tibet is.
>
> "kot.divuar" is two words, but a single name. "na.e" is two words, but a
> single conjunction, and the second word begins with a vowel. ("naje" is also
> two words, and logically the same conjunction, but it connects a different kind
> of phrase.)
>
> ta'e la .kot.divu� du la xantyde'i xaskoi
>
> Pierre
> --
> li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
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