Re: [lojban-beginners] Possessives

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How does {se / te / ve / xe} affect {vo'a}?
For example, let's say in your sentence, we use {se prami}, and move some stuff around.

Which is correct?

 "lo ponse be vo'e cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'a citkygau" 
      or
"lo ponse be vo'a cu se prami lo mlatu poi vo'e citkygau" 
     or
something else?

I guess my question boils down to "Does {se/te/ve/xe} change that which is called x1?  Or is x1 always equal to the lover as opposed to the one being loved, even after {se} is applied?"
My guess is that the first one is right.  But the documentation seems inconsistent on this point.  (does {se} switch what is called x1 and what is called x2, or does it just put x2 in the first place and put x1 in the second place?)


On Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:42:58 PM UTC-5, Michael Turniansky wrote:

  vo'a means "the thing that is the first sumti (argument),  in the main bridi in this sentence  (That is, "x1")"  (vo'e means the second, and so forth).  So for example, a sentence like "lo mlatu poi vo'e citkygau cu prami lo ponse be vo'a" means "A cat which is fed by its owner loves them" (but more literally, it means "a cat which the second thing in this sentence feeds loves the owner of the first thing in this sentence")  There are many other ways to say this of course, but this is just for example.  

          --gejyspa

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Annie <park....@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

What does vo'a mean?

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On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <ph...@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 18:35:18 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>>  Which does bring in an interesting philosophic question (which maybe
>> Annie was alluding to): If you used vo'a in that sentence, what would it
>> refer to? la djan? le bruna be la lizbet (which is what I assume you meant
>> to write, not "brata") or both? ("fa la djan. klama le ckule fa le bruna pe
>> la lizbet. lo zdani be vo'a")  But that's outside the scope of a beginner's
>> list.
>
> Yes of course "bruna". "brata" is Tok Pisin. I consider the referent of "vo'a"
> in that sentence unclear.
>
> Pierre
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