On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:48 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:32:48 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:03 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:15:01 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:00 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:50:42 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:30:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 6:17 AM, tijlan <jbot...@gmail.com> wrote:On 1 December 2012 12:09, ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:An about, a thematic focus, is more specific than that. cfika2, for
> This is just what {se srana} or {selra'a} is.
instance, may be as much relevant to cfika1 as cfika3 may be -- a work
of fiction cu srana both its plot and its author (and possibly many
other things). Consider:
la .alis. cfika sera'a lo nixli
This doesn't necessarily say that the plot revolves around a girl --
it could as well be saying the work is dedicated to a girl.
I'm sorry, I don't see how anything based on {srana} could possibly mean "dedicated to". You'll have to explain.
Well, may be it's not that something is wrong with {sera'a/pe/srana} but rather wrong usage and/or glossing.srana x1 pertains to/is germane/relevant to/concerns/is related/associated with/is about x2.ckini x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3.If we arbitrarily chose parts of those definitions we'd get
srana x1 is relevant to x2
ckini x1 is relevant to x2
which is nonsense.
ckini wouldn't be that. For one thing, you left out the x3, and for another, it isn't "relevant", it's "related". The Cold War isn't relevant to WWII, but it is related (by being a direct result of it).
Sorry, it should besrana x1 is releted to x2ckini x1 is related to x2 by relationship x3
Well, by that definition, srana is {ckini fi zi'o}, which makes them synonyms in the same way that litru is to klama (litru = {klama zi'o zi'o}).Haven't you read my previous post? I mean that choosing words from full definitions ARBITRARILY can lead to this result which is nonsense.ju'o it's all bad glossing.I suggest that srana refers to topic and ckini means "to be associated with".to dedicate is {finfriti}, {tecu'u} etc.
No, ko'a srana ko'e means that ko'a is relevant to ko'e, i.e. ko'a has something to do with ko'e.
While it is true that the topic of something is pertinent, something which is pertinent is not necessarily the topic.
Then what is your opinion about my first post? Is it true that "topic" brivla has right to exist on it's own?
My opinion is that sera'a serves the purpose. As I said, "that which is pertinent to A" is a superset of "the topic of A".
Roosevelt is pertinent to the Great Depression, but he is most certainly /not/ the topic of it.
(Btw, in my view, zi'o doesn't say that there is no such thing as whatever place it's in, but just that it's not important. For example, {ko'a klama zi'o zi'o ...} doesn't mean there /isn't/ an origin or destination, it just means that they don't matter. Dissenters should use zo'e instead.)
I think the CLL says almost the same.If {srana} really gives us thematic role then all the other "is relevant to" meanings can be assigned to {ckini/seki'i}.
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