what do you mean by a predicate relation? is that basically the subject, or is the subject one of the arguments?
Sent from my iPod So, a sentence is really just a bunch of words grouped together. In fact, I'm not 100% sure that the CLL goes into long depths to define a sentence (thought it's been a while since I've read through it).
Think of a bridi as being a specialized verb + some nouns to give more information about that verb. So in the same way that in english you can have a sentence with many clauses, in lojban you can have sub-bridi and such in a sentence.
Maybe this will clarify. The definition of "bridi" is:
x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments (sequence/set) x3.
So, when someone talks about a "bridi" they're talking about this relationship. In a bridi the "selbri" (the x2 of the above definition) is the relationship word, the "terbri" (x3 of the above definition) are the noun-like things that act as parameters to the relation.
e.g. Take the english sentence "Rex likes when Paul pets him". If I were trying to describe this using lojban grammer I would describe "Paul pets him" as a bridi, because it's the selbri "pet", with two arguments "Paul", and "him". I would also describe the whole thing as a bridi whose selbri is "likes" and whose terbri (arguments) are "Rex" and "when Paul pets him" (since this is an event, it can be thought of as a single noun-like-thing that's attached to "like").
Not sure what is meant by "predication", I'd need to see it in context.
Sorry, that got a little long winded. On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
It's the first sentence, but maybe I misunderstood. what's a terbri, and how can you identify a bridi if it's not a sentence? what is predication? i thought that it would be stating the predicut, what the subject is, or does.
Sent from my iPod
Which passage in chapter 5 gave that impression? From what I understand, the bridi can be thought of as the whole sentence. The selbri is the relationship word that pulls the whole thing together, and the terbri, which are often sumti, are the places.
"sentence" isn't quite the right word, actually, since you can have bridi nested within a sentence e.g. "lo gerku ku nelci lo nu pinxe lo djacu". I would say that the whole thing is a "sentence". The whole thing is also a "bridi". "pinxe lo djacu" is also a bridi. And "lo gerku", "lo nu pinxe lo djacu", and "lo djacu" are all sumti as well as terbri.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
oh wow. what other dames do you have for that book? speaking of cll, it looks to me, from chapter 5, that a bridi is a sentence without the selbri. am i understanding this correctly because if so, why would you want to use a bunch of sumti without a selbri? the sentence wouldn't make s5se, it seems.
Sent from my iPod
Sorry... I just think it's cool that it has a whole bunch of names and well, we're also known for giving long-winded answers for no real reason, haha.
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On 11 December 2012 13:29, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
You could have just said "CLL".
Sent from my iPod It's one of the CLL's many names. * The Complete Lojban Language * The Red Book * The Codex Woldemar * The Book
It's the language's complete grammar description. Orika Okrent, who wrote "In the Land of Invented Languages" says that the CLL is one of the most complete grammatical descriptions of any constructed language. Calling it "The Red Book" stems from the colour of the cover, whereas "The Codex Woldemar" which is just an overly fancy way of referring to it, comes from its author's name, John Woldemar Cowan.
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 11 December 2012 10:39, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
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