so the preposition is in the selbri, right?
Sent from my iPod On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
in statements that include prepositions in english, do you have prepositions in lojban, or are they included in the selbri?
Prepositions == bridi. The selbri is the thing which describes what relationship the preposition is about.
Sent from my iPod On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
i've looked up what a predicate is, and, to me, it sounds like the predicate is the selbri.
Yes.
therefore, how can there be such a thing as a predicate relation? isn't that a selbri relation, which doesn't make sence?
Yes, a predicate relation is a selbri relation. In Lojban, everything is expressed as a relationship.
For example, when you say {ta gerku}, you're saying "That's a dog", but to be completely literal, what you're saying is "The thing I'm pointing to over there (which is what {ta} means), has the relationship "something is a dog of species something".
The selbri, or in English the predicate, is the thing which tells you what the relationship is, while the sumti, or in English the arguments, are the things that are a part of that relationship.
Another example:
{mi xabju lo zdani}
"I live in a house."
"The thing which is me and the thing which is a house have the relationship "something lives in something", with 'me' being the first something, and 'a house' being the second something."
Sent from my iPod
Basically, anything that has a place structure can be a selbri. "selbri", by the way, is a lujvo formed from "se bridi". The definition of bridi is:
x1 is a predicate relationship with relation x2 among arguments x3
The x2 is the relation, which is where selbri comes from: sb1=b2 is the relation of predicate relationship sb2=b1 among arguments sb3=b3 (Note: bN is the place in the def. of bridi, sbN is the place in the def. of selbri).
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Correct. In fact, even simpler: tanru.
ta tcebra gerku zdani => "That is a huge dog house"
"tcebarda" is a lujvo, "gerku" and "zdani" are each gismu. But the whole thing "tcebarda gerku zdani" is the "selbri".
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