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Re: [lojban-beginners] FA KU

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:21 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 16:10:25 UTC+9, la gleki a écrit :
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:49:03 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:29:55 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
Le dimanche 7 avril 2013 06:12:29 UTC+9, LordDraqo a écrit :
Did you try "fi la lojban ku tavla"?


I don't need to try it, but {fi la lojban ku tavla} means "talk about Lojban". I meant {fiku} with no sumti should be x3, and a terbri next to it should be x4, but jbofi'e doesn't parse it as I expected.

I was wondering about that in past as well. I can't find that thread now but the funny thing is that 
{fizo'e la lojban tavla} does what you need.

so does

{fo la.lojban. tavla}

and

{la.lojban. ve tavla}

I guess guskant is searching for stylistic diversity which is indeed present here.
Like
in {fizo'e la lojban tavla} {la lojban} is tavla4.
But in {fizo'e tavla la lojban} {la lojban} is now tavla2 !!!


ki'e gleki for the info. My problem is however a bit different from yours.

From your problem, I see jbofi'e forgets the places assigned by FA when a selbri appears, and after the selbri, the default place structure is applied. I would like to say it bothers mi'a who are not familiar with European languages and should be a bug, but my actual point is something other.

According to jbofi'e, {fi ku la lojban tavla} means "Lojban is talker."
Even if {fi ku} doesn't mean /anything/, it is not a valid reason for ignoring the usual rule "that after a FA-tagged sumti, any sumti following it occupy the places numerically succeeding it, subject to the proviso that an already-filled place is skipped" described in CLL9.3.
Even {fi zi'o la lojban tavla} is parsed as "talk in Lojban" that I expected. Why not {fi ku}?

I would say, because {fi ku} is /not/ a FA-tagged sumti. Which it isn't. It isn't a sumti at all.

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