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[lojban-beginners] Re: Mixing tenses
The
discussion was about how to express concepts with "as", such as "I like
you as a friend" and "I respect you as a leader." Others expressed that
this is "I like You-As-Friend", that is, the "as" lives in the sumti,
similar to how it does in English. Some suggested a NOI for this; others
suggested a brivla with place structure something like "x1 is x2 as
considered in capacity x3 (ka)". All considered this to live at sumti level.
The easiest I can think of is:
mi pendo nelci do
Clear enough, I think. And this is a generic pattern to translate "x1 broda (x2, considered as brode)":
x2 brode se broda x1
Now
let's try to expand the tanru. One can like in different ways. That is,
he can have different kinds of positive feelings or attitudes that
would qualify for the generic term "x1 likes x2". The corresponding term
in Lojban is {nelci}. We need a way to specify which of these kinds of
feelings or attitudes x1 has for x2. Or, in other words, in which way x1
likes x2. So, I interpret "I like you as a friend" as "I like you in a
way typical for friends". Now to Lojban.
mi nelci do tai lo'e nu zu'i nelci lo pendo be ri
By
the way, I don't like the "x considered as y" construction in natlangs.
I think, it obscures the meaning in many cases. So, my opinion is that
implementing it in Lojban would be an awful move. :)
Now to
respect. Again, we have a generic term {sinma}, and we need to specify,
respect of which kind is it. I think, differences become apparent in
different situations. For example, I may feel respect to a jbocre when
he talks in or about Lojban; in other words, in a "Lojbanic situation".
So, "I respect you as a leader" would be:
mi sinma do fau lo'e nu do gidva
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