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Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about tense



ok, now this is much clearer for me. Thank you for the explanation, gejyspa.

Maybe this doesn't belong to the topic, but is there anyone keeping track of issues like this, so next official grammar, or at least the BPFK sections are updated with discussions and errata etc, including examples of tense combinations, and other issues needs clarifying? The discussions linked from BPFK pages I've seen are from 2000. Just wondering....

co'omi'e jongausib


2013/7/3 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
The interval X is not specified at all, IMO  If you had said "mi co'a ba ze'u pu bajra", that would mean "I am at the beginning of a long future time of having had run" (which is true, if you have ever run in the past), then X=ze'u.

       --gejyspa



On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Sebastian Fröjd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, but I'm still not convinced. But first lets split the sentence into two propositions:

1. {mi baze'upu bajra} specify in which time interval my running takes place. No problem to understand and we could as well simplify this into just {mi ze'u bajra} to get to the point.

2. {mi co'a bajra} says that in the beginning of some unspecified interval goi X I start running.

Case I: Is the interval X identical to {ze'u}? In this case the event of my running must be in the beginning of {ze'u}.

Case II: Is the interval X not specified in the bridi at all? In this case the beginning of running takes place in some unspecified interval and the interval {ze'u} says that this running takes place for a long time interval in the beginning of the unspecified interval.


Ok, so which interpretation do you choose?

mu'omi'e jongausib


2013/7/3 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
  Well, the way I would interpret that sentence is "I will be having started to run, for a long time" That is to say, I interpret it as mi ba ze'u (pu (co'a bajra)).   See for example 10.3.16  That is, I would interpret all tenses as going outward from the selbri.  But reasonable people may disagree with me.  And so may unreasonable ones.  I live it up to you to interpret which category the toltu'i be mi  are in.

              --gejyspa




On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, jongausib <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

What is the proper interpretation of the sentence {mi baze'upu co'a bajra}?

1. That the "start running-predicate" takes place through the whole intervall, which probably means that the start running intervall is a part of some other unspecified intervall.

or

2. That I start running in the beginning of the intervall {baze'upu}.

or something else?


I couldn't figure this out by reading CLL or BPFK sections, so please help!

mu'omi'e jongausib

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