[lojban-beginners] Tanru-internal connectives, place structure, non-sense

[iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de>]

.i je zei .anste

And again I am all of a sudden confused by the simplest Lojbanic expressions. Help!

I understand that, in a tanru of the form {[brodi] brode JA broda}, the place structures of {broda} and {brode} are 'logically connected'. For example, in {ti blanu je zdani} (CLL #12.12), {ti} fills the x1 place of both {blanu} and {zdani}. 

According to CLL, {ti blanu je zdani} means the same as {ti blanu gi'e zdani} (#12.4) and {ti blanu .ije ti zdani} (#12.5). In all three cases, the thing referred to by {ti} both 'blanu's and 'zdani's.

In the above sentences, some sumti places are not filled. The ellipsis of sumti has no effect on the place structure; ellipsised sumti places are understood as {zo'e}. For example, {mi tavla do zo'e zo'e} (CLL #5.5) means the same thing as {mi tavla do} (CLL #5.8)

Likewise, {ti blanu .ije ti zdani} is to be understood as {ti blanu .ije ti zdani zo'e}. And {ti blanu gi'e zdani} is equivalent to {ti blanu gi'e zdani zo'e}.

So far, so good.

However, as for tanru-internal logical connection, {ti blanu je zdani zo'e}, while syntactically correct, is semantically problematic, since nobody knows what it means to {se blanu}: [1(2[zdani1 (home(s)) , blanu1 (blue thing(s)) :] ti this here)2 [is, does] «3(4blanu being blue je and zdani being home(s))4»3 (5[zdani2 (reside-r(s)) , blanu2 (blue??) :] zo'e unspecif it)5]1 (Jbofi'e, for illustration).

So, is {ti blanu je zdani} (CLL #12.12) a meaningful sentence?

To take another example: {sutra je jipci}. Does this express that there is a relation between an obvious x1, which is both quick and a chicken, and an obvious x2, which is both an event quickly brought about by x1 and the chicken-breed of x1—which does not make any sense? Does it mean anything?

I'm afraid that I have probably been using sentences like {sutra je jipci} rather freely, and without bothering to think about any sumti but the x1.

So, what's the solution? (An ellipsised {vau}? If so, then I'll have at least one follow-up question.)

ki'e do mu'o mi'e .iesk.

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