Ah .xorxes.! Every question I have, I turn around, and there you are with a handy answer! It's an immense help. Thank you!
In introspect, I'd say this comes down to {lo ka mi nintadni la .lojban. kei} I don't have a depth of familiarity with the emotive gismu like {cfipu}. Instead, I've been familiarizing myself with the attitudinals as a means to express my feelings bau la .lojban. As indicators they have a very flexible grammer, and no place structure to consider. Perfect for {mi poi nintadni} to cut my teeth on. Additionally, I like how you can compound the attitudinals and "construct" the feeling you're experincing from baser emotive elements. It has an effect, on me at least, of increasing my awareness of what I feel. I think this happens because I must articulate each piece of what I feel rather than stating a word that represents what I feel. For these reasons, I have been relying heavily on attitudinals to express myself.
I think when I become more familiar with the emotive gismu, and I have more practice with compound tanru and lujvo making, I'll likely have the same ability to construct what I feel to a satisfactory degree of articulation, with the benefits of being able to manipulate these compound feelings in bridi.
As for my assertion that attitudinals are more articulate. It could just seem that way to me because {mi nintadni}, and I have experimented more with attitudinals than the emotive gismu. To me it seems that I could combine and modify attitudinals ad infinitum to express emotive compounds whose meanings become more and more discrete with each added attitudinal or attitudinal compound. It occurs to me that with lujvo, and tanru (and the ability to manipulate internal tanru components with grouping with {ke...ke'e}, linking other sumti with {be...bei...be'o}, and logically connecting components with jeks). One could likely get the same or similar degree of articulation with bridi using the emotive gismu.
Would you say that is your experience?
ke'u ki'e doi .xorxes.
mi'e .neit. mu'o
On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:41:10 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:50 PM, .neit.
<kosmikc...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
.uanai .e'o So if I wanted to say {mi ca tarti lo ka _attitudinal_ kei} Would that be gramatical?
No, "ka ... kei" requires a bridi.
I ask because with the attitudinals, their scales, modifiers, categories and sheer compoundability, a speaker could articulate to a higher degree, his/her feelings than simply using brivla. And given that, there are times when you would want to express a feeling in bridi form, which brivla fail to adequately specify. I'm trying to get at a way of discussing an attitudinal compound in a bridi.
You could create a brivla out of the attitudinal, for example "mi tarti lo ka ua zei nai". But I'm not sure I'd describe that as more articulate than "mi tarti lo ka se cfipu". Maybe somewhat comparable to saying "I went 'huh?'" vs "I acted confused".
Could I assign the attitudinal compound to an assignable sumka'i using {goi} and discuss the attitudinal compound using that sumka'i?
No, you can only assign the referents of a sumti with goi. You could say something like "ko'a goi la'e lu ua nai li'u"