Re: [lojban-beginners] A bunch of mysterious gismu

[Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>]

On 20/05/2014, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

I tried to fill all places of all 1342 gismu with something reasonable. Here are the gismu that are most problematic for me.

What do I want? To show at least one usable example of *each* place in these gismu:

1. cmaci x1 is a mathematics of type/describing x2.
   
1. What is "type"? Please don't cheat with {caltaicmaci} in cmaci1. Is cmaci1 an abstraction?
2. gradu x1 [magnitude] is a unit/degree of/on scale/reference standard x2 (si'o) measuring property x3.
   

As far as I can tell, {gradu} is {ckilu} with one more tersu'i, which is a unit on the scale gradu-2/ckilu-1. I don't know what can fill graku-2 and ckilu-1, however.

Here is how I would use {gradu}:

{ la .meter. cu gradu fi lo ka sepli }  (If we agree that {sepli} is the spatial counterpart of {te temci}.)
{.i lo ni lo jubme cu clani cu pelji li re la .meter. } / { .i li re parbi lo ni lo jubme cu clani ku la .meter. }

1. gunro x1 rolls/trundles on/against surface x2 rotating on axis/axle x3; x1 is a roller.
   
2. junla x1 is clock/watch/timer measuring time units x2 to precision x3 with timing mechanism/method x4.
   
3. junta x1 is the weight of object x2 in [gravitational or other force] field x3.
   

It seems {junta} is actually {x1 is the gravitational force between x2 and x3}, although this needs confirmation.
If so, you could probably say:
{ li ci  parbi  lo junta be lo jubme (bei la terdi)  lo junta be lo stizu (bei la terdi) }

1. 
   
2. lanxe x1 is in balance/equilibrium under forces x2 (mass).
   
1. Can lanxe1 be an abstraction? Can lanxe1 be an object?
3. lidne x1 precedes/leads x2 in sequence x3; x1 is former/preceding/previous; x2 is latter/following.
   
1. Can lidne1 be an abstraction? Can lidne1 be an object? The same question for lidne2

{ me'o .ibu me'o ny lidne zo lidne } — « The letter "i" precedes the letter "n" in the word "lidne". »
{ mi do lidne zo'e noi porsi lo ka sutmau ku lo'i bajra } — « I precede you in the sequence made from the set of the runners, ordered by speed. »

(Please correct me if my use of porsi-2 is wrong.)

And, yes, {lidne}'s x1 and x2 can contain an abstraction, because abstraction sequences are possible.

1. pinfu x1 is a prisoner/captive of x2, restrained/held/confined by means/force x3.
   

pe'i You should have added {farna} to your list. :)

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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