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[lojban-beginners] kiwi fu'ivla vs. the morphology

Yesterday, I went to the farmers’ market and bought some kiwi berries. Then, I entered some stage-3 fu’ivla for kiwi fruits and kiwi berries (they are different, as I learned yesterday!) into jbovlaste. I spelled them {grutrkiui} and {jbarnkiui}. It may be relevant to note that there is already a stage-3.5 fu’ivla for kiwi bird, but spelled {cpirkivi}.

Wuzzy raised a good question, which is whether my new fu'ivla {grutrkiui} is pronounced ?{grut,r,ki,ui} or ?{grut,r,kiu,i} (and similarly for the other one). Of course I intended the former pronunciation. And I think that’s the correct one, given the current morphology. But it seems to me the answer would be different using the old CLL morphology. My reasoning is below. Do you agree?

CLL version: it pretty clearly says in section 3.5 that “[w]hen more than two vowels occur together in Lojban, the normal pronunciation pairs vowels from the left into syllables”. So in “iui”, the first “iu” would be grouped together as a diphthong, leaving “i”. There are some problems with this, but then again that’s why we have a new morphology! Moving on…

camxes version: from here. If [kiu] were the second-to-last syllable, then bare [i] would be the last syllable, but that would be an empty onset. Empty onsets are filled by pauses, but that can only happen at the beginning of a word. Therefore, it can only be split into syllables as -[ki]-[ui]. QED(?).
(Full disclosure: this explanation was constructed to fit the facts after testing to see how camxes parsed the word.)

mu’o mi’e la durka

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