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Re: [lojban-beginners] {kancu4}





2014-09-17 19:46 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
i mi kancu lo prenu li pa re lo kanla
i mi kancu fo lo nu stapa

Which usage of kancu4 is more correct? Both?

The first one says that there are exactly two of the eyes which you are using as the units to count people, which barely makes sense.

Why two ?
.i `.' [1(2[kancu1 (count-er(s)) :] mi I, me)2 [is, does] «3kancu count-ing»3 (4[kancu2 (counted set(s)) :] lo any/some prenu person(s))4 (5[kancu3 (count result(s)) :] li No. pa 1 re 2)5 (6[kancu4 (count unit(s)) :] lo any/some kanla eye(s))6]1

pare is 12.
 
Which two eyes were they, the left one and the right one? But then say at least "ro re lo kanla" so we are not left to wonder whether there are other eyes that were not used. And since you came to the same result using each unit, does that mean there were twelve people and everyone had two eyes, or just that there were at leat twelve people and the number of people with no left eye was equal to the number with no right eye?

As for the second one, yes, you can use steps as the unit, but without context we don't know what you are counting.

In general, x4 will be the same things that you are counting, but an example where the unit is something other that what you are counting could be:

  mi kancu lo prenu li pa re lo re mei
  I counted the people as 12 couples.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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