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Re: [lojban-beginners] {bilni}. How to use? It has been use only once!



On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
I can see bilni in two ways.

1) bende with the x2 removed, plus the usual connotations of things being military. (That being said, I would like to see bende2 removed, since it's just another instance of group membership which can be achieved by other means.)

I have a different view on "bende", I think the x2 is important, and the x3 is the one that doesn't belong. For me bende is just a special case of gunma, just like bakfu, stura, liste, cecmu and so many others. There are many gismu wih an emergent-constituents relation between x1 and x2 and I think it's a good regularity. I consider flock, herd, swarm, etc examples of "bende", and I don't think they must necessarily have a leader. If we need to talk about lo jatna be lo bende, we can say "lo jatna be lo bende", or "lo bedja'a". I don't think "bende" should be burdened with a place for a leader, because it restricts its meaning too much.

2) the definition is a bit off. Read it instead like this: "bilni = x1 is a military/regimented/strongly organized x2 for purpose x3". This way, bilni is what I call a "connotation selbri", like the cultural gismu. This allows you to use it as a compositional adjective, like mutce et al. e.g. bende bilni -> bilni lo ka ce'u bende -> "army". You can effectively "militarize" any selbri by sticking "bilni" onto the end thus.

Agreed, if I had been thrown the keyword "military" to make a place structure for it I would have said "x1 is military in property/aspect x2", because that's the usual place structure for adjectives.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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