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Re: [lojban-beginners] precise tenru

On 24 September 2014 11:45, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
So the seltau and tertau of a tenru have an ambiguous (aka metaphorical) relationship that is left to the reader/listener to determine (by convention and context). But what if one wanted to be more specific. e.g. from example 5.2.8 of the CLL:

    klama jubme

A number of possible interpretations are given. The first and most obvious is "a-goer type-of-table". What if I wanted to make that interpretation quite clear so there could be no other interpretation? I can't say:

    klama .e jubme

b/c that would mean a "a goer and a table". I want to say in effect "x is a goer and x is a table". How to do that?


There is some disagreement in what happens with the xN places where N > 1 for je-tanru, but we all pretty much agree that the x1 must be the same. So {klama je jubme} would require its x1 to be both a klama and a jubme.

In general about precise tanru though, I have a system of interpretation schemes. Tanru fit broadly into three categories:

1) Compositional tanru (interpreted with the Flipping Principle)
2) "and" tanru, interpreted as if a {je} were present
3) Metaphorical tanru

An example of the kind is "certu mutce", which I would interpret as short for "mutce lo ni certu". These are the tanru that give rise to fully regular lujvo, e.g. "cretce = x1 is very skilled at doing x2 ..."
"and"-tanru are essentially adjectives as in English: "barda zdani" or "pelxu bolci". Of course, you could try to interpret these with another scheme instead, but since they're tanru, context and common sense are always of the essence.
The final category is hard to come up with examples for, but it's essentially a trashcan category, when the other schemes fail in context. 

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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