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Re: [lojban-beginners] ganai-gi and if-then



  Sorry, that penultimate parenthetical should have read ("it is rainy") obviously

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  No.  You are making a common mistake of confusing the English "if" with the logician's if.  When we are not talking about one thing depending on another ("if I get my car fixed, then we can go to the movies"), but rather logical implication (two statements that relate in their truth value) ("if it is raining, then the ground is wet").  Is that statement true if the ground is wet from a sprinkler, but yet it is sunny?,   Yes, because we are only told what happens if it is rainy.  But if it is NOT rainy, we aren't making any conclusion about the wetness of the ground, so the combined statement is still true.  The only time it can be false if the hypothesis ("it is sunny") is true, but the conclusion ("the ground is wet") is false.

  (read articles about implication for more details)

          --gejyspa


On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:40 PM, ravas <ravas@outlook.com> wrote:
first second result
True  True   True
True  False  True
False True   True
False False  False


...

Perhaps the most important of the truth functions commonly expressed in forethought is TFTT, which can be paraphrased as “if ... then ... ”
...

8.3)   ro da zo'u ganai da klama le zarci gi cadzu le foldi
       For-every X: if X is-a-goer-to the store then X is-a-walker-on the field.

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Why is ganai-gi (TFTT) the preferred gek-gik structure for "if...then..."?
Given my limited understanding of "truth functions" it seems like ge-gi (TFFF) is clearer.
Isn't the first row the only thing we want to result in True?


Something else I don't understand:

"Since GA cmavo precede the first bridi, a following “nai” negates the first bridi instead."

Why are we negating anything?
Aren't we trying to assert both bridi are true?

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