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Re: [lojban-beginners] Talking about a color



2015-05-23 18:08 GMT+03:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:


On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
2015-05-22 5:59 GMT+03:00 TR NS <tran...@gmail.com>:
On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:25:09 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:

Is the color green green? I would say it has to be.

If it is, then "lo crino" is perfectly fine.

I thought that would mean "the-green-thing".

or  "those, which are green".

Yes, the one(s) that are green.  So when the color green is green, it can be referred to as "lo crino".

To me, it doesn't make sense for green to have the property green.

Lojban doesn't delve into philosophical issues of properties vs. objects (in philosophical sense).

One can construe it that way and listeners will sometimes take your meaning, of course, but I'm not sure it is technically accurate. But I admit it's a tricky question. Nonetheless, if somewhere says to me out of the blue,

    mi trajynei lo crino

I wouldn't think they are saying green-the-color is their favorite, but rather "I favor the green stuff". And I'd probably be looking around for something green. It occurs to me though that trajynei might provide a simple solution itself:

    mi trajynei lo crino lo se skari
    I favor green among colors.

This is very close to your:

    mi trajynei lo crino se skari

But lacks the use of metaphor, so is more exact in meaning. Correct?

I would agree that indeed a more precise solution like what xorxes said.
I think "noun + adjective" in "color green" is misleading here. Or even more correctly "color" is a word taking adjectives to construct special meanings. What is "liking color green" if not liking objects that have this color.
If you have read the well-known story by Borges you will remember that by such object you may assume all green objects in the Universe considered as one huge object.




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