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On Thursday, July 16, 2015 03:53:59 Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:Okay. I'm slowly grasping it. Is what is written in the CLL on this subject still what is used by Lojbanists? Thank you for your very complete answers, I'll read a few more times :)I don't know how closely everyone follows CLL on this. I think that some selbri that take abstractions in a place can take multiple kinds. For instance, "djuno" is listed as taking "du'u", but I'd use it with others as well: mi djuno lo du'u la .fred. tumymre I know that Fred is a surveyor. mi djuno lo pu'u tumymre I know how to survey. mi djuno lo li'i tumymre .i trombikula .i sisku lo korba'a .i co'e I know what it's like to survey: chiggers, looking for boundary markers, and so forth.
The last two are raising. {mi djuno lo pu'u broda} does not mean "I know how to broda" but "I know the process of broda" (which sounds fine in *English* but isn't in Lojban. Really it means "I know that the process of broda is true" and is similar to {mi djuno la .djan.}).
The correct way is {mi djuno lo du'u ma kau pu'u broda} or {mi djuno lo du'u ma kau tadji lo ka broda}. The same goes for {li'i}, it should be {mi djuno lo du'u ma kau li'i broda}.
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