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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Sarcasm

On 11/17/2015 9:10 PM, guskant wrote:

Le mercredi 18 novembre 2015 00:01:49 UTC, la .tamar. a écrit :

    coi

    My friend wanted to know if there is an attitudinal for showing sarcasm.

    Is there one?

    Thanks :)


{xo'o} of selma'o UI is suggested and used by many people, though not
yet official:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/xo'o

The parser zantufa of version 0.1 or later, as well as the current
ilmentufa of experimental grammar, parses {xo'o} as UI.
http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-1.html
http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html

In the past, {xo'o} was sometimes proposed for some different meanings,
but it seems that only the proposal for the meaning of sarcasm survived.
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/obsolete_experimental_cmavo
I'm not sure that I understand sarcasm to be humor, hence the xo'o similar to zo'o doesn't work for me. Maybe parody is the boundary between sarcasm and humor (but there are probably a few ways to mark parody.
I believe that, back when I analyzed attitudinal coverage, most forms of sarcasm were to conveyed by making a statement and marking it with .ianai or .ienai, to indicate that you don't really believe what you are saying. je'unai would have similar effect. Depending on why you are being sarcastic, .ionai might be added to one of the other choices mentioned. (I suspect that is the usual reason why *I* express sarcasm)
Irony, which also overlaps sarcasm and humor, has the gismu ranxi assigned, so rather than inventing a cmavo I would probably do "sei ranxi [se'u]" to mark it. 

lojbab


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