Re: [lojban-beginners] List of Lojban words for its grammatical classes

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Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 03:17:03 +0000

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Thread-topic: [lojban-beginners] List of Lojban words for its grammatical classes

"cmavrza'o" is a fu'ivla, i.e. a loanword? Does Lojban not have native terms for its own grammar?

I am by no means a Lojban expert, but I was presuming the logical construction would be to combine words with the base "selma'o".

Perhaps like:
temci (time interval) + selma'o (structure word class)
= temselma'o
= the class of structure words concerned with time intervals
= "ZEhA" (I think?)

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Andrew <summerfallsaway@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2016 7:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] List of Lojban words for its grammatical classes

I don't see this used nearly as often as the all-caps class name, but I think properly lojbo class names start with cmavr. So the lojbanic version of the class name ZAhO would be {cmavrza'o}.

See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/cmavrza'o

On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:48:12 AM UTC-7, Ilmen wrote:

On 25/05/2016 05:04, Timothy Lawrence wrote:

Yes, but "za'o" can't be used in Lojban for both that word and its structural class because Lojban has only one definition per word.

In particular, how is this answered in Lojban?

ma selma'o zo za'o

(I hope that's correct Lojban?)

And what are the other word classes?

In order to talk about cmavo belonging to a particular selmaho in Lojban, you can either:
• use {lo cmavo be lo se cmavo be zo za'o} (= "the cmavo of the same selmaho as {za'o}), or {lo selma'o dunli be zo za'o} (= "the things equal to {za'o} in their selmaho");
• or use the experimenetal cmavo {ma'oi}, which belongs to the ZO selmaho (thus, same grammatical behavior as {zo}): {lo cmavo be ma'oi za'o} = "the cmavo of selmaho ZAhO".

Here's a nice mindmap that classifies selmaho:
• https://mind42.com/mindmap/03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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