Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r"

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

I don't like the trilling. It sounds wrong as an ending sound, and it makes it much harder to hear the important bit - the difference between your "e" and your "ei".

Personally, I only use a trilled r when {r} is an internal sound, as in cilre, not when it occurs at the end.

In any case, your "r" is my "er", and your "er" and "eir" are my "eir".

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, all this "e" as in "let" stuff is killing me so here:

http://cinch.fm/lbergen/275225

Admittedly, I got a little sloppy on the last word (cirlrfu) but I attribute that to the fact that my tongue is still getting used to trilling and back-to-back syllables with "r" in it are like an obstacle course for my tongue (ta'o still expressing relief at having sorpreka to save me from having to say sorprekarce .u'i)

Also, listening to myself again I think I screwed up on the emphasis... oh well.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:00 PM, ranoritc <ranorith@gmail.com> wrote:

I definitely pronounce the first "e" in "better" differently to the
second "e", so I'm not sure this works for me at all. Took me some
time to stop pronouncing "er" in lojban words as "yr", as this is how
I normally pronounce it in English. I agree with Luke that it should
rhyme with air (or mostly rhyme), at least in my dialect.

On Aug 27, 3:29 am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Lojban sound-cluster that sounds like the English "air" is {eir}, not

> {er}. .ebu is pronounced as the "e" in "b*e*tt*e*r", ""w*e*t", "p*e*st",

> etc. The pronunciation example the CLL uses is

> "l*e*t"<http://dag.github.com/cll/2/2/>,

> "What is Lojban?" lists the pronunciation in IPA as "e [E] ([e]): a front

> mid vowel" <http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/phonapp.html>,

> "Lojban for Beginners" uses the example

> "g*e*t"<http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less1.html#...>,

> and the English pronunciation guide uses the examples "b*e*t,
> l*e*ns"<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Pronunciation+guide+in+English>
>

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