Re: [lojban-beginners] lujvo making help request

[Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>]

5 gismu and a cmavo rafsi does wind up with a huge lujvo, though, but then I think a lot of precision is needed in this general vein, because there are a lot of subtly different viewpoints. "God can be disproven but not proven", "God can be proven but not disproven", "God can be either proven or disproven", "God can be neither disproven nor disproven". And all of those are in some sense the English word "agnostic" if you throw in "and I don't have a belief as to what the answer is", even though they're obviously entirely different. (Although admittedly the latter has the term "strong agnostic" tied to it in English, but still.)

mu'o mi'e .latros. .i .u'u re zo'e co'e

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

I think they are, because that other thing, the thing I described, is a relevant possibility in this discussion in general. Plus, {cevni zasti djuno tolcu'i krici} and {cevni zasti tolcu'i djuno krici} yield lujvo of essentially the same length--you don't need ke/ke'e or bo.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

I forgot that part in the lujvo. Oops.

Right, (((god existence)(impossible knowing))belief). Lujvo don't /have/ to include the rafsi for every gismu in the source bridi. I left out the tanru-super -scope cmavo in the tanru because I couldn't remember it and didn't think they were vitally needed for understanding.

On Feb 19, 2011 6:45 PM, "Ian Johnson" <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

Where'd tolcu'i go?

Also, if you look at the tanru grouping, you have:
(((god-kind-of-exist)-kind-of-impossible)-kind-of-know)-kind-of-believe
which seems to be "believe that you can know that it's impossible for a god to exist", to me. {cevni zasti djuno tolcu'i krici} seems like the right tanru, with the lujvo changing analogously.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
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> cevni zasti tolcu'i...

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