Re: [lojban-beginners] vlastezba: First beta version released!

[Brian Shannon <teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com>]

On 20/04/2011, Johan Pretorius <pretoriusjf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, the licensing is fixed now.
>
> Alan, The fact that you know that's a problem puts you in 1% of the
> population :-)
>
> Anyway, I'm not diametrically opposed to XML just for the sake of being
> opposed... it's worth looking at, especially, as you say, for
> interoperability.
>
> Do you think it's necessary to include the input string?  I foresee
> vlastezba being used for large bodies of text, anyway that's how I intend to
> use it for myself: I feed it the terry the tiger story and let it build me
> something I can print out, which means my sucky vocabulary does not stop me
> reading the story, albeit slowly.
>
> Maybe it's a good idea to make that configurable.
>
> -Johan
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org
>> wrote:
>
>> I can more-or-less work with the what it does now, so that is
>> sufficient experimentation.
>>
>> I routinely write code like |if(var=="foo")| when I mean
>> |if(var.equals("foo"))|, my Java isn't what it could be.
>>
>> I'm able to parse XML for tree-structured data, which is probably
>> the easiest choice for interoperability:
>>
>> XML:
>>
>>  <pruce>
>>    <selruhe>coi ro do</selruhe>
>>    <teryruhe>
>>      <cmavo selmaho="COI">coi</cmavo>
>>      <cmavo selmaho="PA">ro</cmavo>
>>      <cmavo selmaho="KOhA">do</cmavo>
>>    </teryruhe>
>>  </pruce>
>>
>> If this makes you cringe, then how about:
>>
>> csv:
>>
>>  klesi,valsi
>>  COI,coi
>>  PA,ro
>>  KOhA,do
>>
>> Which unfortunately doesn't include the input string; I don't see a
>> simple way to do that that is normal (as in normal form).
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 04:51:51PM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote:
>> >    Hi Alan,
>> >
>> >    That would indeed be an interesting experiment, I'd be quite keen to
>> see
>> >    the results myself.
>> >
>> >    Right now, if you just call
>> >
>> >    java -jar vlastezba.jar test.txt
>> >
>> >    with some Lojban text (legal or otherwise) in test.txt, it will
>> > return
>> (on
>> >    stdout), one valsi per line. So "coirodo" would result in:
>> >    coi
>> >    ro
>> >    do
>> >    (you can make it go look up the definitions by passing a second
>> parameter,
>> >    but it will just add junk to the output that I don't think you'd
>> > want)
>> >
>> >    Right now it doesn't check grammar at all, so you can throw any
>> > random
>> >    collection of words at it (I don't intend for it to ever do this,
>> there
>> >    are tools out there that are far better at this than I could ever
>> > hope
>> to
>> >    make it).
>> >
>> >    It also won't give you a classification of valsi - it doesn't "know"
>> when
>> >    it's dealing with a cmavo (or indeed what class), or a gismu, or a
>> lujvo.
>> >    This I DO intend to fix.
>> >
>> >    I want to add other output formats anyway, so if you want me to do
>> >    something specific to make your comparison easier, let me know. Now
>> would
>> >    be a good time, as I'm going away on holiday for a week, and wanted
>> > to
>> >    spend at least a little bit of time on vlastezba.
>> >
>> >    In fact, if you are comfortable with Java, feel free to make it do
>> what
>> >    you need, the source code is on [1]sourceforge.net
>> >    ([2]http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/), and is GPL'ed :-)
>> >
>> >    mu'o mi'e iu'an
>> >
>> >    On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, .alyn.post.
>> >    <[3]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >      Do you have an external representation for your valsi parsing
>> >      result? If I hand you the string "coirodo" is there a print
>> >      form of that along the lines of ("coi" "ro" "do")?
>> >
>> >      I would be interested seeing the result from processing a large
>> >      data set of words and phrases and comparing that to jbogenturfa'i.
>> >      In order to do this I'd need some output format from your program
>> >      that I could parse.
>> >
>> >      jbogenturfa'i uses the morphology PEG grammar that xorxes
>> > developed,
>> >      so it contains code which I think is similar (and should be
>> >      identical in result) to what you are doing:
>> >
>> >      $ echo "coirodo"|jbogenturfahi --rafske
>> >      ((cmavo (COI "coi")) (cmavo (PA "ro")) (cmavo (KOhA "do")))
>> >
>> >      I'd be curious to know whether they are in fact producing identical
>> >      results.
>> >
>> >      -Alan
>> >      On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:02:28AM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote:
>> >      > Hi all
>> >      >
>> >      > You can download it from here:
>> >      >
>> >      [1][4]
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/files/vlastezba.jar/download
>> >      >
>> >      > I have completed the cmavo cluster breakout code, and tested it
>> > as
>> far
>> >      as
>> >      > I was able.
>> >      >
>> >      > It should be easy enough to run if you have Java 1.6 installed,
>> just
>> >      go
>> >      > java -jar vlastezba.jar and it will print out usage instructions.
>> >      >
>> >      > Please download it and test to pieces! I'd love all your
>> > feedback.
>> >      >
>> >      > Not that it doesn't get very smart at this stage - for instance,
>> it
>> >      won't
>> >      > know what to do if you feed it a string of lojban that doesn't
>> have
>> >      any
>> >      > spaces in. The only clever bit is that it's able to break apart
>> cmavo
>> >      > clusters if they don't have any spaces.
>> >      >
>> >      > Regards,
>> >      > Johan
>> >      >
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