Re: [lojban-beginners] taxonomic .a descriptive

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  Read the definition of tirxu again.. it's "
tiger/leopard/jaguar/[tigress] of species/breed x2 with  coat markings
x3."  That is to say, any big cat outside of a lion, distinguished by
coat markings.  So, yes cheetah fits into that.  And he took his
"claw" cue from the Linnaean name (although yeah, I probably would
have gone with "fast" myself).
      --gejyspa



On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 22 December 2010 20:10:17 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > I have recently been thinking about a subject about which, in the past,
>> > I
>> > have been very vocal about, that being Lojban names for various species.
>> > At
>> > this time, there are basically two ways we do things, which I refer to
>> > as
>> > taxonomic, i.e. basing the lojban name upon the Linnaean (did I spell
>> > that
>> > right?) name, such as {bramlatu la.*acinonyx.jubatus.*} (big-cat of
>> > species
>> > *Acinonyx jubatus)*, and descriptive, i.e. basing the name on it's
>> > distinguishing characteristics, such as {bramlatu la traji sutra}
>> > (basically - big-cat of species "The Fastest"), both of which are what
>> > we
>> > call, in English, the Cheetah.
>>
>> There is a third way, which is to make a fu'ivla from some natlang (or
>> two, in
>> the case of "makpapi"). Many common names in natlangs (especially Romance
>> languages) are related to the Linnaean name, in which case two approaches
>> may
>> result in the same Lojban word. E.g. "cipnrfalko" and "falkoni" could be
>> from
>> the genus name "Falco" or from any of several natlang descendants of the
>> Latin word.
>>
>> > So, the poll is, what is your personal preference for species' names,
>> > and
>> > why? Do you prefer taxonomic, descriptive, neither both, either
>> > depending
>> > on circumstances, etc. etc., and what are your reasons?
>>
>> All three, including having all of them for some living things, such
>> as "arxokuna" (from some rindo bangu), "prokiono", and "lumge'u" (although
>> it's not in the dog family, nor in the bear family, despite the similar
>> German word).
>>
>> > Please do not be afraid to speak up, because the point of this is to get
>> > a
>> > reading of the community. I am very curious, and the more of you who
>> > answer
>> > - and the more detailed your answer is - the happier I will be, even if
>> > the
>> > majority opinion is decidedly opposite of my own (, which is part of the
>> > reason why I have been careful to avoid expressing mine in this
>> > message.)
>> >
>> > Also, I would love to see other examples of Lojban names for things,
>> > such
>> > as, if anyone has another idea for what to call a Cheetah, or a
>> > Red-tailed
>> > Hawk (which is actually a buzzard, I recently learned), or any other
>> > creature.
>>
>> I call it "ja'urtirxu", as it is a big cat with markings with something
>> different about its claws (though they are not immobile, despite the genus
>> name). Don't know about the red-tailed hawk.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar
>
> I am kind of surprised that you went with "claw-tiger", because in my mind,
> the most distinguishing thing about the cheetah is that it's really fricking
> fast, not that it has claw weirdness (, which I didn't even know about until
> you mentioned it,) and cheetahs are spotted, not striped like a tiger. I can
> see how it makes sense, but I don't think I would have connected
> {ja'urtirxu} to "cheetah" unless someone told me.
>
> As for the red-tailed hawk, I personally would call it {zerle'a cfipu la
> xunre rebla}, as "raptor" means "thief", and hawks are a kind of raptor.
>
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