Having given this some thought, I think the fundamental problem is that we're using words that don't have the place structure we want. We're using words that represent durations (like {temci}) instead of coordinates/addresses (like {tcika}). So I humbly (and with great trepedation) propose that we create two additional gismu. I'll call them {broda} and {brode}, since I don't have the ability to run the algorithm to assign them properly. {broda} is the day of week gismubroda: x1 is the x2th day of week number x3 of year x4, under calendar/system x5Similarly, brode is for days of the month (not months themselves), with place structurebrode: x1 is the x2th day of month number x3 of year x3, under calendar/system x5Then we can say things like "What day of the week is today?" ({le cabdei ma broda}), or "It's October" ({brode fi li pa no}).Weekdays get very natural lujvo, since {pavbroda} really *is* {broda be li pa}, and both represent Monday (at least, for the zu'i x5). Months, we'd have to convert a little, though, so there might be issues there. Or maybe the x2 place of brode doesn't belong there, and the rest need to be shifted over.I'm nearly certain that the weekday approach is right. I'd like to see proper fleshing out of the months, but I think starting from here is *much* better than trying to shoehorn things into {djedi} and {masti}.As a side note, if you really do need to deal with cultures that use different number schemes, you can put something unusual in x5.
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Michael Eaton <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk> wrote:Regardless of whether of not the use of gismu space is allowed, I don't really see any truly compelling reason why it shouldn't. The ability to accurately and clearly define a specific day of the week is a not entirely inconsequential function of language, and, regardless of who you are, it IS a part of your everyday communication. The difference between being able to say 'tuesday', as opposed to having to say 'the day two days after the next day', is not one to be overlooked.
As far as the existing standards for naming / numbering days go, the 'numeric' standard, as rightly pointed out, can cause some syntax issues, though these are slight and not amazingly difficult to work around, while the 'conceptual' standard is rather un-lojban in approach, being far less intuitive than a numbered system.
As for alternatives proposed in this very thread, would you really rather use, for instance, a fairly wieldy lujvo for so simple a concept as days of the week?
I'm not saying that days of the week SHOULD take up gismu space, nor am I saying that they will, I'm merely pointing out that the alternatives come with their own problems, and the use of gismu space would hardly be the travesty it is being made out to be.
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of
weekdays and months.
Either way, the point still stands. xorxes' proposal is likely to
continue to be ignored. Your proposal to take up eight places in gismu
space for days of the week will be shot down. Unless you can format
your argument entirely in very understandable Lojban, you're not going
to get even one word into gismu space. It's just not going to happen.
So, you can either go with my suggestion, use the current standard, or
go with something like what selkik has proposed in another thread.
That's pretty much what you're down to.
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