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[lojban-beginners] Re: A suggestion for the Lojban names of weekdays and months.
I am extremely for this idea. I'm a system freak, and think that this
way will fit lojban much better than the concept (japanese, chinese)
way, as well as being easy to remember and learn.
I personally like how it sounds ending in a vowel myself, but that's
just my opinion.
I also think it's brilliant to use {lunra} for the months. Because,
well, it makes sense. You say {djepa} and you know oh, it's {day-1}.
You say {lunrapa} and you know oh, it's {moon-[cycle]-1}. It just
makes sense. To me at least.
In short, I like it! Do it!
On Oct 5, 8:36 pm, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeaber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I like it. My only comment is, what's wrong with cmevla? Why not make
> > them .djepav. etc... Given xorxes' other proposal about merging cmevla into
> > brivla, this wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing (assuming that I understand
> > his other proposal well enough) and it wouldn't be infringing on the gismu
> > space (not that I'm all that uncomfortable with that).
>
> No reason other than it depends on .xorxes. proposal being approved.
> Actually, I'm ambivalent about {.djepav.} et al. over {djepa} et al.; as far
> as I'm concerned they're equivalent, especially in consideration of .xorxes.
> proposal to merge cmevla with brivla. But, unless and until .xorxes. merger
> proposal is accepted, cmevla can't have definitions like "{.djepav.} = 'x1
> is a Monday of week x2 in month x3'", because as it stands, all cmevla have
> the same meaning, excepting the tiny detail of what the name is.
>
> However, I don't think using {.djepav.} instead is really all that great a
> benefit, because if we use it, and then for some reason decide to create a
> meaning for {djepa}, and it doesn't have anything to do with {.djepav.}, I'm
> certain massive confusions will arise from it.
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> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> (I'm double-posting this to both lojban lists, please respond on the
> >> beginner's.)
> >> -----
> >> Days:
> >> -----
>
> >> A discussion about the names of the weekdays was recently held in the
> >> thread "[lojban] la za'e filjvocedra (The Age of Easy Lujvo)", about the
> >> pros and cons of the two current methods of naming the days of the week -
> >> one based on numbers, the other on concepts. {pavdei} "1-day" = {lurdei}
> >> "moon-day", to provide an example.
>
> >> In this discussion, .xorxes. pointed out that the current number method is
> >> anti-intuitive, because it seems as though, for example {mumdei} would mean
> >> "five days", not "fifth day". As corollary, he pointed out two examples:
> >> {reljeftu}, "fortnight", and {mumymentu}, "five minutes". To quote him,
> >> "[T]he place structure of {djedi} screams for 'N-dei' to mean {djedi be li
> >> N}, not {djedi me'e li N}."
>
> >> Personally, I found this to be a very convincing argument against the use
> >> of {pavdei} et al. as names of weekdays. It is also, if I am correct, his
> >> main reason for preferring the concept way.
>
> >> I, on the other hand, do not like the concept method, for the simple
> >> reason that I really, really like having a systematic method, and that is
> >> anything but. After more discussion, I came up with the following, which is
> >> agreeable to both .xorxes. and me.
>
> >> It's actually basically the exact same thing as {pavdei}, etc., except
> >> backwards. So, they would be:
>
> >> {djeno} "0-day"/{djeze} "7-day" = Sunday
> >> {djepa} "1-day" = Monday
> >> {djere} "2-day" = Tuesday
> >> {djeci} "3-day" = Wednesday
> >> {djevo} "4-day" = Thursday
> >> {djemu} "5-day" = Friday
> >> {djexa} "6-day" = Saturday
>
> >> All eight of the above words have the exact same meaning as both current
> >> methods: "x1 is a [weekday name] of week x2 in month x3"
>
> >> The benefits of this method are that it is logical, systematic, and
> >> doesn't conflict with spans (as in {mumdei} = "a five day span").
>
> >> The con is, obviously, they take up 8 spots in gismu space, which may or
> >> may not be an atrocity, depending on your viewpoint.
>
> >> -----
> >> Months:
> >> -----
>
> >> Through further discussion, we have also come up with a really good method
> >> for month-naming. Currently, the only Lojban words we have for the months
> >> are cmevla, i.e. {.pamast.}, {.remast.}, etc. .xorxes. came up with a really
> >> good alternative, similar to my idea with the weeks, for each of the months,
> >> which are the following fu'ivla, based around {lunra}:
>
> >> {lunrapa} "1-month" = January
> >> {lunrare} "2-month" = February
> >> {lunraci} "3-month" = March
> >> {lunravo} "4-month" = April
> >> {lunramu} "5-month" = May
> >> {lunraxa} "6-month" = June
> >> {lunraze} "7-month" = July
> >> {lunrabi} "8-month" = August
> >> {lunraso} "9-month" = September
> >> {lunradau} "10-month" = October
> >> {lunrafei} "11-month" = November
> >> {lunragai} "12-month" = December
>
> >> This has the advantage over the current cmevla method in that, being
> >> fu'ivla, we can give them place structure and use them in all the ways cmene
> >> can NOT be used. I don't see any cons at all, but I may be mistaken.
>
> >> Since it is .xorxes. idea, I direct you to him for the proposed
> >> definitions, although I'm certain that it will begin "x1 is month N ...."
>
> >> -----
>
> >> In conclusion, it is my desire to inform the whole of jbogugde about these
> >> ideas and to get feedback , and to possibly confuse you lot to start using
> >> them whenever you are talking about days of the week or about months.
>
> >> Feedback, suggestions, criticisms, praise, and flaming are all welcome and
> >> appreciated. :D
>
> >> (I'm double-posting this to both lojban lists, please respond on the
> >> beginner's.)
>
> >> --
> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu
> >> do zo'o
> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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