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Re: [lojban-beginners] oh my god, please make it stop, it hurts so much! (was: Re: Questions on the sounds chosen for Lojban)



Aha. Wikipedia speaks, I am in fact just a very sheltered freak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English_regional_phonology#Canadian_raising

"the General American pronunciations of rider and writer are identical ([ɹaɪɾɚ]), those American English speakers whose dialects include either the full or restricted Canadian raising will pronounce them as [ɹaɪɾɚ] and [ɹəɪɾɚ], respectively. Canadian raising is quite strong in most of Ontario and the Maritimes as well as in the Prairies. It is receding in British Columbia, and many of these speakers do not raise /aɪ/ before voiceless consonants."

Apparently Syracuse, New York qualifies as sufficiently Canadian.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:11, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
My Midwest USA accent has no difference TTBOMK between the vowels of "bold" and "so". Nor are they different in "pie" and "pipe", as a later post asserts.
 
stevo 

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Why exactly is this bad, timos?  The cll does it because how else can we explain to nintadni that "o" says english "bold" not "so"?

I find that now that I have a pretty good grasp of lojban pronounciation, I have a new tool to help me better communicate differences of accent. 

Ideally I should just get off my lazy arse and learn IPA though :(

i.e.  lojban vowels don't help me to describe the difference in pronounciation of "b[o]ston".

But the difference between english "pie" and "pipe" is most certainly distinguishable using lojban vowels (the difference being "pai" vs and "pyip").  Just try saying "pie" in english followed quickly by the "p" sound and you will hear that it sounds funny and distinctly not like "pipe"

On Jan 22, 2011 1:29 PM, "Timo Paulssen" <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:

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