Re: [lojban-beginners] lo se valsi be zo zi'o cu frica lo se valsi be lu noda li'u ma

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Wednesday 19 January 2011 10:53:48 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> Was my subject line clear and correct, and could it be more succinct?
>
> I feel like I'm missing some subtlety in the difference between the use of
> {zi'o} and the use of {noda}.  If I say {noda klama} I'm saying that there
> does not exist anyone that goes (in the obvious from context manner).  If I
> say {zi'o klama}, am I talking about a type of going which does not involve
> a goer (I acknowledge that this is slightly nonsensical; I'm just trying to
> understand).

"zi'o klama" means that there is a relation among a destination, an origin, a 
route, and a vehicle that may or may not involve a goer. So to say "This road 
goes from Charlotte to Raleigh" you can say "zi'o klama la ralix. la carlyt. 
le vi dargu" (of course you could also use "dargu" as the main selbri). This 
would make more sense if there were automatic vehicles that traveled on said 
road whether or not they contained passengers.

On Wednesday 19 January 2011 11:58:13 Ian Johnson wrote:
> If I remember correctly:
> .i ko'a broda no da .ijo ko'a na broda
> That is, if there does not exist anything such that ko'a broda's them, then
> ko'a does not broda in general, and vice versa.
> On the other hand {ko'a broda zi'o} and {ko'a broda da} are essentially
> unrelated sentences, because {broda zi'o} is essentially an entirely new
> relation. I'm not sure about {ko'a broda zi'o po'o}, though.

I regard "zi'o po'o" as nonsense.

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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