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[lojban-beginners] Re: ti, ta, tu for people?
At 12:44 PM 2/19/03 +0100, jexOm. wrote:
"3. Demonstrative pro-sumti: the ti-series
The following cmavo are discussed in this section:
ti KOhA ti-series this here, a nearby object
ta KOhA ti-series that there, a medium-distant object
tu KOhA ti-series that yonder, a far-distant object"
So, to me Philip's question is understandable, since a person is not an
"object".
The dichotomy between "person" and "object" is politics, not
language. Here is the definition of object in Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry:
1ob·ject<javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?object01.wav=object')>
Pronunciation: 'äb-jikt, -(")jekt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin objectum, from Latin,
neuter of objectus, past participle of obicere to throw in the way,
present, hinder, from ob- in the way + jacere to throw -- more at
<dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ob-.htm>OB-,
<dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=jet.htm>JET
Date: 14th century
1 a : something material that may be perceived by the senses <I see an
object in the distance> b : something that when viewed stirs a particular
emotion (as pity) <look to the tragic loading of this bed... the object
poisons sight; let it be hid -- Shakespeare>
2 : something mental or physical toward which thought, feeling, or action
is directed <an object for study> <the object of my affection> <delicately
carved art objects>
3 a : the goal or end of an effort or activity :
<dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=purpose.htm>PURPOSE,
<dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=objective.htm>OBJECTIVE <their object is to
investigate the matter thoroughly> b : a cause for attention or concern
<money is no object>
4 : a thing that forms an element of or constitutes the subject matter of
an investigation or science
5 a : a noun or noun equivalent (as a pronoun, gerund, or clause) denoting
the goal or result of the action of a verb b : a noun or noun equivalent
in a prepositional phrase
synonym see <dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=intention.htm>INTENTION
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ob·ject·less<javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?object02.wav=objectless')>
/-l&s/ adjective
- ob·ject·less·ness noun
There is no definition of "object" therein that excludes people.
lojbab
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