[lojban-beginners] Re: FAhA-cmavo

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

coi iens

la iens cusku di'e

> Hmm, then {mi klama to'o le mi zdani} is "I go away from my home".
> But where is the difference between {mi klama mo'i to'o le mi
> zdani" and my last sentence?

{mo'i} is a strange word.

We have three concepts: position, direction and movement.
In my view, most FAhAs indicate position, but {fa'a} and {to'o}
indicate direction. In the most official view, all FAhAs
indicate position, including {fa'a} and {to'o}, with hard
to understand meanings.

{mo'i} officially indicates movement+direction, so the official
interpretation has no way of indicating direction without
movement. But in addition to that, it is not clear what
type of movement {mo'i} indicates: Is it the movement of the
event as a whole, or the movement of one of the sumti?
{klama} by itself already contains the idea of the movement
of x1, so it is not necessary to add {mo'i}, which would
suggest that the whole going is in movement (for example if
you go from one car to the next in a moving train).

> According to refgram {to'o} is
> "away from" and {mo'ito'o} "departing from", but I can't see
> a difference. Perhaps my English isn't good enough?

I would say that the problem is that the refgram is rather
confused on this issue, not your English, but then maybe it
is my English that is not good enough.

> By the way, {mi klama to'o le mi zdani} and {mi klama fi le
> mi zdani} should be the same, shouldn't they?

Not necessarily. I can go in a direction away from you
without departing from where you are. {to'o} for me just
indicates direction, not point of departure.

> ...(snip)...
> > >Is {do sanli ri'u vi mi}
> > >the same? Or does the {vi} indicate, that "you are standing
> > >very close on the right of me"?
> >
> > I would say {ri'u mi viku} for that, since {ri} would tag
> > the magnitude of the distance rather than the origin:
> > {do sanli ri'u mi vi lo centre be li so'u}, "you are
> > standing only a few centimeters to my right".
>
> And what about {do vi sanli ri'u mi} - "You are here-standing
> on the right of me"?

Yes, that works too. There is little if any difference between
tenses used directly on the selbri or anywhere else with {ku}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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