[lojban-beginners] Re: nu fanva zoi gy. I pledge allegiance... .gy

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Adam COOPER wrote:
> I think I get it. But can you proffer an example of  a {nupre} usage
> that *doesn't* need {ca'e}?

Any example not in the first person, or not in the present tense
will do:

  mi pu nupre lo nu mi klama
  I promised I would come.

By saying that, I am not making a promise, just reporting that I made
a promise at some point in the past.

  la djan ca nupre lo nu klama
  John is promising that he will come.

By saying that, I am not making a promise, just reporting that John is
making a promise.

One could contrive a first person present example where one says
{mi nupre} to report that one is promising something rather than
to actually promise something. For example, I'm speaking on the
phone with John and someone next to me asks me what I'm doing, then 
I respond {mi ca nupre lo nu klama kei la djan}, "I'm promising 
John that I will come". By saying that I am not making a promise,
just reporting that I'm making one.
  
> > > What actually happens is that I pledge allegiance, I actually forfeit
> > > lands, & then later I break my pledge.
> > 
> > Do you then get your lands back?
> 
> The lands I forfeit in country B are gone. The lands I hold onto in
> country A by pledging allegiance to the king I retain, despite the
> later breakage. Pretty good deal.

As long as the lands in A are worth more than the ones in B, yes.
It would be better to sell most of the lands in B before forfeiting
them, that way you get to keep their worth if not the lands themselves.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



		
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