[lojban-beginners] Re: zvati

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:57:05AM -0400, Betsemes wrote:
> > Yes, but {mi nau zvati lo nu pu salci ca le prulamna'a} can also
> > mean that I'm now at the place where a party was celebrated last
> > year. {bu'u ko'a} indicates the location of ko'a, but ko'a has
> > to be there at the time in question. It's not any location where
> > ko'a was at any time.
> >
> > So while I understand a sentence such as "I
> > > drink only water at the party" as referring to the same moment
> > > and time of the party, I cannot connect a location tense word
> > > (like bu'u) with the concept of an event which is located both
> > > in space and time.
> >
> > Every physical object is located both in space and time, not
> > just events. The peculiarity of events is that they tend to have
> > a single space-time location and then disappear, whereas other
> > objects tend to have extended trajectories in space-time, but
> > there are exceptions in both camps.
> >
> I need to insist on this because I have seen a disagreement
> between two "experts". If I haven't seen a disagreement, then I'd
> accept that bu'u could refer to objects/events' locations both in
> space and time; 

There is no disagreement about that: bu'u is solely about space.
Period.

We disagree about zvati.  I'm starting to think that xorxes is right
and the definition just needs to be updated.

-Robin