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[lojban-beginners] Re: threats



Jorge Llambías wrote:

On 8/12/05, Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org> wrote:
Is {.i ko smaji .ijonai mi cecla fa'a do} grammatical and does it mean
(roughly) "shut up or I'll shoot you"?
If not, what are your suggested improvements?

{ijonai} contains both a threat and a promise:

If you don't shut up, then I'll shoot you (the threat).
If you do shut up, then I won't shoot you (the promise).

Given the rest of the lyrics, I think the person making the threat
is not making any promises along with it. With {ija} there is only the threat, you keep your options open in case they do shut up.
Much better, thanks! I've changed it to {ija} on the page, but let me rephrase the question: is a boolean a good way to express a threat? Is {ko smaji .ija mi cecla fa'a do} a reasonable sentence?

I'd say {nu cinba}.

{nu} covers all {zu'o}, {pu'u}, {za'i} and {mu'e}, so you don't really need
to choose between them. Ordinarily, I'd say a kiss is {lo mu'e cinba}.
I'd say that {lo zu'o cinba} is more like "his kissing" than "his kisses",
focusing more in the action itself. {pu'u cinba} only if the kiss goes
through different stages, which is also a possibility in some cases I suppose.
Thanks, I'll go with plain {nu}, I think.

As for missing, I'd say either make a lujvo {mi caucni lo nu cinba} or else it will be {mi cinmo lo nu claxu lo nu cinba}. Because {mi cinmo lo nu cinba} says you are feeling the kiss.
Thanks. I guess I'd forgotten about the difference between lujvo and just stacking gismu while I took a break from lojban. (This is my third dive in, and I go deeper every time.)

mi'e snan