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[lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se



Ah..ok, I think I understand now. Thank you very much! Yeah, the jbofi'e output is pretty different.

-ZAkyris.

On Aug 26, 2005, at 3:21 AM, Evgeny Sklyanin wrote:

On 8/26/05, Zachary <vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com> wrote:

I was just reading the section in Lojban for Beginners on conversion
and the use of se. What puzzles me is not se itself, but the fact
that both cu and se are placed before the selbri sometimes, but not
always. For example

le nu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac.

Wouldn't the use of se in front of the selbri signify that it is the
selbri, thus making cu useless?


No, it wouldn't. If we drop {cu} in the above sentence then  {klama}
and {se tcika} will glue together to form a single selbri (tanru)
{klama se tcika}. Besides, {cu}  terminates the abstraction started by
{nu}. Without it, {la daucac} comes under the scope of {nu}.
Try the two versions (with {cu} amd without) by jbofi'e and see the difference.

mu'o mi'e .evgenis.