[lojban-beginners] Re: On Constructed Languages

[Adam COOPER <adamgarrigus@gmail.com>]

I came across Lojban some years ago, then didn't look at it again
until last year, when e'e nai I began trying to learn it. -- I can't
stand Esperanto. But I spent my childhood learning the basics of
bunches of European languages, so Esperanto, which seems to be a
European amalgam in all its aspects, seems superfluous to me. And also
out of date. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Different languages excel at different purposes. Many aesthetic languages 
> exist only to evoke an exotic culture such as Tolkein's Elvish languages. A
> 
> lot of languages on Langmaker.com <http://Langmaker.com> are only a handful
> 
> of words to flesh out a fantasy world in a novel. Many of the authors of 
> logical languages or international auxiliary languages have planned and 
> conceptualized their first principles of design but only developed a 
> fraction of the grammar and vocabulary they need. There are few languages 
> that can be called mature and complete, with a sufficiently robust and 
> flexible grammar or a sufficiently thorough vocabulary to actually sustain 
> the universe of human discourse. For instance, there was one man who decided
> 
> to raise his infant child as a native Klingon speaker but gave up quickly 
> because there were no words for everyday household items. Here's a list of 
> conlang "test" sentences: 
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Conlang%20Test%20Sentences
> As for Esperanto, it's a worthy and respectable language, and it's the 
> language you should learn if your purpose is to speak a conlang with as many
> 
> people as possible. I personally dislike the fact that it's an amalgamation
> 
> of only European languages. Esperanto is insufficiently alien, strange, or 
> modernized for my tastes. I chose Lojban for its thorough speakability, 
> which Esperanto shares, but mainly I chose Lojban for its systematic 
> functional elegance. More than any other complete language, Lojban can truly
> 
> claim to be *engineered*.
> As far as I know, the IRC lojban channel is the only Lojban forum in which 
> it is appropriate to discuss things other than Lojban in the English 
> language. But you can discuss anything while speaking Lojban on any Lojban 
> forum.
> -epkat
> 
> 
> On 9/5/05, Naomi K <alien.juxtaposition@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Heyaz
> > Excuse me if I sound n00bish but only since my learning of Lojban have I 
> > taken notice of the wonderful world of contructed languages....Esperanto,
> 
> > Ido, Glosa, Novial etc........ I am frankly amazed at the amount of 
> > languages; it really is fascinating, although I am not what I would
> consider 
> > a 'hardcore' linguist or anything of the kind. What do you Lojbanists
> think 
> > of the other artificial languages? What made you get into Lojban, not the
> 
> > easier, more mainstream Esperanto? Do any of you speak in other
> constructed 
> > languages?
> > 
> > I was impressed by the description of Lojban on Conlangs....
> > Designed by others as a continuation of Loglan,
> *Lojban<http://www.langmaker.com/db/mdl_lojban.htm>
> > * (its name is a contraction for "Logical Language" in Lojban) is the most
> 
> > professional and thought-provoking of the modern logical languages, with a
> 
> > fascinating methodology for deriving its root words from Arabic, Chinese,
> 
> > English, Hindi, Russian and Spanish. Extensive information is available 
> > on-line. For the sheer joy of it, you should check out how Tolkien's
> Tengwar 
> > alphabet can provide "a romantic orthography for Lojban".
> > 
> > By the way, which mailing list (if any) is for miscellaneous, 
> > everyday-life kinda discussion? I would be interested in joining that too
> 
> > (although that would defeat the purpose of a Lojban mailing list in the 
> > first place, eh ;-) )
> > 
> > mi'e .nei,omis.
> >
> 
> 


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