[lojban-beginners] Re: "la" questions

[Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com>]

> The benefit of separating CMENE from BRIVLA is that you
> can say {la djan klama} instead of having to say {la djan cu klama}.
>
> The disadvantages are that:
> -  you have to learn more grammar rules.
> -  you have to say {la noi cmalu djan} instead of {la cmalu djan}
> for "Little John".
> - you have to say {lo me la makyntoc skami} instead of {lo makyntoc skami}
> for "a MacIntosh computer".
> - you have to say {mi me la xorxes} instead of {mi xorxes}.
>
> I think the disadvantages far outweigh the benefit, but that's how it
> was done.

Nobody has tried to refute you, so I guess you are right. And if I may
say so, some of those grammatical constructs are ugly compared to the
alternative ungrammatical ones. I would have preferred to have to
write/say "la djan cu klama".

Hmm, >>mi xorxes<<, "mi betsemes". This sounds like using cmene as
brivla; something like "x1 is called/has the name <cmene>".

Let me see.....

mi betsemes
I'm called Betsemes

lo betsemes karce
Betsemes' car

lo betsemes
a Betsemes (anyone(s) or something(s) called Betsemes)

le betsemes
someone(s) or something(s) I have in mind and I'm calling Betsemes

la nolraitru betsemes
King Betsemes (or Sovereign Betsemes)
I have been wondering how to use nobility or rank titles in a name, I
still have no idea. If cmene could be used this way, the usage would
be straight forward. But I guess it is <la noi nolraitru betsemes>;
ugly, a real king would be displeased :-).

le nobli je se sinma remna noi betsemes
the noble and well esteemed human being called Betsemes
hmmmm I should stop before someone just laughs at me. LOL

This way of using cmene would make "mi'e" unnecessary.

I think I like this other way much better than the chosen one. And it
was just to save a single "cu"......