[lojban-beginners] Re: Falling into x1 sumti?

["Adam D. Lopresto" <adam@pubcrawler.org>]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, c k wrote:

> It seems that ko wouldn't take up the x1 sumti because you can have
> something like "ko mi nelci do", right?  Which doesn't mean, ko=x1, mi=x2,
> do=x3

No, it does mean exactly that.  {ko} isn't special in any way as far as that
goes; it fills exactly the same place that {do} would.

The rules are that places start at x1 and each subsequent sumti fills the
next slot.  As a (slightly) special case, if there are no sumti before the
selbri, the first sumti after the selbri starts at x2 (and the next is x3,
and so on).  So {ko mi nelci do} is exactly the same as {ko nelci mi do}
(neither of which makes that much sense, since the x3 of nelci isn't
defined).  I think you're looking for {mi nelci ko} (which is the same as {mi
ko nelci}).

>  Also since in a bridi like "klama mi tu" mi=x1 and tu=x2,

That's not true either.  If there are no sumti before the selbri, the first
sumti after it starts at x2.  So in {klama mi tu}, x2=mi and x3=tu.

> then wouldn't "le gurni" in the name way fall into the x1 sumti since no x1
> was given?

The x1 was ko.

>  But then, "ko vi'i fe'e di'i se sombo le gurni" doesn't look right either,
>  and I'm not sure why.

Grammatically, it's fine.  Semantically, it should be {sombo} instead of {se
sombo}.

> c k <letsclimbhigher@yahoo.com> wrote:
>    Hi all,
>
>  In the following bridi, why doens't "le gurni" fall into the x1 sumti spot?
>
>  ko vi'i fe'e di'i sombo le gurni

Ok, it took me a while to realize what the real problem is.  Yes, that
sentence is semantically incorrect.  {le gurni} is filling the x2 of {se
sombo}, which is the x1 of {sombo} (the agent who sows the seed) instead of
the x2 of {sombo} (the seed sown).  So the sentence should be

ko vi'i fe'e di'i sombo le gurni
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