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[lojban-beginners] Re: pronunciation
On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:39 AM, Newton, Philip wrote:
la .aleks. cu cusku di'e
I would bet {ml} as in {mlatu} does, as well as {jr} as in {bajra}
and {kt} from {cukta}. These types of pairs aren't allowed in
English, so they're a tricky to wrap the tongue around.
{kt} is not allowed in English? How do you pronounce "sucked" or
"tractor"?
I pronounce "sucked" as "sukt" with a very soft "d" and "tracktor" as
"TRAK der".
(While the second could be either trac-tor or tra-ctor -- the first is
probably more consistent with English phonotactics --, sucked must
have {kt}
in one and the same syllable. At least in my speech. And even with
trac-tor,
it's not that hard to go from that to tra-ctor, at least for me.)
If you want to think of the kt in tractor as a single sound, I
suppose you would say it's allowd. What I was thinking of (and didn't
quite say clearly) was that there has to be a syllable break between
them. If you listen, the d or t sound at the end of a past tense verb
in English is almost inaudable when the sound before it is a plosive.
(A sound like k g t d p b that stops the airflow.) Maybe the best way
to say it is that they can't *start* a syllable. Generally, English
speakers don't like two plosives in a row.
I can imagine that {jm} as in {jmina} might also be difficult --
but {ml} as
in {mlatu} and {mr} as in {mrilu} are probably the most un-English
clusters
IMO, at least in syllable-initial position.
Agreed. I hadn't though of {jm}, since I don't really know any words
with that pair in Lojban.
mu'o mi'e .filip.
^ is the stop before your name needed, when it doesn't start with a
vowel?
mu'o mi'e .aleks.