[lojban-beginners] Re: legal consonant pairs and permissible initial consonant pairs

["Chris Capel" <pdf23ds@gmail.com>]

On 8/19/06, c k <letsclimbhigher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> coi rodo,
> .au .uanaibu'onai
>
> CLL: "There are just 48 such permissible initial consonant pairs, as
> follows: bl br cf ck cl cm cn cp cr ct dj dr dz fl fr gl gr jb jd jg jm jv
> kl kr ml mr pl pr sf sk sl sm sn sp sr st tc tr ts vl vr xl xr zb zd zg zm
> zv"
>
> Firstly, I don't see {rs} listed as one of the 48 permissible initial
> consonant pairs although there are gismu like {jursa} and {darsi} etc.  Also
> there are lujvo in the lujvo list which also use {rs} as an initial
> consonant pair: {jaurselylu'i}, {jirsezlu'i}, {ki'orsamsrorau}, {varsenta}.

"Initial consonant pair" means, most of the time, that it only applies
to the beginning of gismu or lujvo. The consonant pair in a CVC/CV
gismu is not an initial pair, and has a much wider variety of possible
combinations. (CC is an initial consonant pair, and C/C is a
permissible consonant pair. Gismu are CCVCV, CVC/CV.)

> Second, for a potential lujvo (one I created) such as {varsetvro} for
> "airlock", the triple of {tvr} seems permissible because it is not one of
> the four excluded triples and because {vr} is a permissible initial pair.

Nope, consonant triples have to be CC/C, which means that {tv} would
have to be an initial pair, which it isn't. You seem to be thinking
that triples are C/CC.

Chris Capel
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