[lojban-beginners] Re: xatra poi na se pagbu lo preti

["Turniansky, Michael" <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com>]

I guess (and I'm not really an expert) there's nothing really wrong with
saying mi klama fi vo'e ledo zdani (="I went to your house and back")
without specifying my start and endpoints.   My concern was merely with
the referent of vo'e, which, now that I read the jbovlaste definition, I
seem to have been wrong about anyhow.  It does seem to refer to the
outermost bridi.

                --gejyspa 

-----Original Message-----
From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org
[mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Karl Naylor
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:30 AM
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xatra poi na se pagbu lo preti

Yeah, I wondered whether that would work -- I wanted to indicate 'the
thing which would go in the x2 place of the bridi' (ignoring for a
moment the fact that I almost certainly may not access that bridi at
all using vo'e, since it's neither the current nor the outermost
bridi)... that is, 'the product of the act of creation I just
mentioned' even though I didn't name or describe that product by
filling the x2 place.  Elided places become "zo'e", "something
unspecified", so it's not like they don't exist.  I just didn't tell
you anything about that place.

I considered options such as filling the x2 of finti with "da goi
ko'a", but I thought, if "vo'e" actually works, that's much more
elegant.  So, any experts want to comment?  Can "vo'a" and "le se
go'i" and suchlike refer to places that were never specified?

On 05/02/07, Turniansky, Michael <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com> wrote:
> (*scratches head*)  but your "finti" bridi (finti bau la lojban)
didn't
> have an x2 place specified.
>               --gejyspa
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org
> [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Karl Naylor
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:04 AM
> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xatra poi na se pagbu lo preti
>
> > > ni'o xu lo xatra poi na se pagbu lo preti cu badri  .i da'i mi
nelci
> > > lenu finti bau la lojban. fi lenu le jbocertu [cu]te pinka vo'e
.i
> > ku'i
> > > mi na djuno ledu'u xu kau le se go'i cu se curmi
>
> > xu la'e zo vo'e ca'a du zo vo'e to tu'a le bridi be fa lu le
jbocertu
> > cu te pinka vo'e li'u toi .enai lu lenu finti bau la lojban li'u
>
> na.e  .i lonu finti lo jufra fi la lojban. poi se pagbu su'o so'o lo
> bridi cu ca'o nandu mi  .i ji'a mi jinvi ledu'u le smuni lo cmavo be
> le selma'o be vo'a cu na'e veltu'i  to la'anaisai le mi pu smuni cu
> drani toi
>
> (I had meant for vo'e to refer to the x2 place of finti; it's still
> difficult for me to build nested bridi without losing my place.  Also,
> I believe the referents of VO'A cmavo are not yet agreed upon (eg.
> whether they refer to places of the current bridi or the outermost
> one), although my use of vo'e to refer to the immediately containing
> bridi is almost certainly incorrect)
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