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[lojban-beginners] Re: Forbidden triples and doubled FAs (two topics)



  Yes, I sorry.  I did in fact mean le broda cu brodi le brodi fe le brodo… all those brod* got me confused and I lost track of what I was doing ;-)

 

                        --gejyspa


From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of komfo,amonan
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Forbidden triples and doubled FAs (two topics)

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Turniansky, Michael
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[lojban-beginners] Forbidden triples and doubled FAs (two topics)

1) I note that just as lojban disallows certain CC combinations (such as "mz") for fear they will be misheard, TLI Loglan disallows certain triples (like "ndj" which might be confused as "nj")  Does lojban have any such forbidden triples?  I see none such in the CRG, but don't know if the BPFK has done anything on this.

 2) An utterance of the form "le broda cu le brode fe le brodi" or even "le broda cu fe le brode fe le brodi" is grammatically acceptable, but does it have any meaning?  As I see it, there are three possibilities:  One) it is non-meaningful, and clearly and error; two) It implies some type of logical or non-logical connection  between the argument, equivalent to  "le broda cu fe brode JE/JOI brodi" (and probably specifically je or joi);  or three) brodi replaces brode entirely.  Has this been discussed/resolved?

                    Thanks in advance,

                          --gejsypa

 

On 2/26/07, Turniansky, Michael <MICHAEL.A.TURNIANSKY@saic.com> wrote:

1)       there are four explicitly disallowed triples -- ndj'', ``ndz'', ``ntc'', and ``nts" (CLL, chapter 3, just above last paragraph of section 7)

2)       It is my second guess.  It operates like ".e" , simultaneously making the claim about both items in that slot (CLL chapter 9, example 3.9)

                        --gejyspa, sevzi tavla


It should be pointed out that the examples in your second question are ungrammatical for reasons unrelated to the substance of your question. I think what you mean are
{broda [fe] le brode fe le brodi}
and
{broda [fe] le brode je/joi brodi}.
mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan