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[lojban-beginners] Re: spofu pemci
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:16:47PM -0400, Turniansky, Michael wrote:
> Robin writes:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:12:57PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> > > I don't think the tanru {dansu je sanga je gleki} can have as its
> > > x2 a conflation of the x2's of dansu, sanga and gleki. What would
> > > that mean? The place structure of a tanru is the place structure
> > > of its last component.
> >
> > I disagree. If there were a following bit, say {dansu je sange je
> > gleki broda}, then I'd agree, but I see no tanru connection there,
> > only logical connection, albeit of tanru type. From the CLL,
> > chapter 5:
> >
> > It may be used to partly resolve the ambiguity of simple tanru:
> >
> > 6.7) ta blanu je zdani
> > that is-blue and is-a-house
> >
> > definitely refers to something which is both blue and is a
> > house, and not to any of the other possible interpretations of
> > simple ``blanu zdani''.
> >
> > Therefore, each element of a tanru JA is equivalent to every other
> > element. I don't see how this gives the last one primacy, despite
> > that being the tanru default.
>
> And up until today, I would have agreed with you, but after
> reading what Xorxes said, I read further in the CLL and in Chapter
> 14, they give that exact sentence and translation in 12.1, but
> then in 12.6/12.7 they say:
>
> the rule of expansion into separate bridi simply does not always work for tanru connection. Supposing Alice to be a person who lives in blue houses, then
> 12.6) la .alis. cu blanu je zdani prenu
> Alice is-a (blue and house) type-of-person.
That's a different case, because it has a tertau that is tanru
connected to the rest, rather than logically connected.
I'm asserting that if all elements of the tertau are logically
connected, they all get to share the place structure, as though they
were gi'e immediately followed by vau.
-Robin
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