Ah, but here it IS a cmene. True, one
derived from rafsi which have meaning, but the end result is nothing other than
a cmene, and therefore needs la.
--gejyspa
From:
lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of ANDREW PIEKARSKI
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007
1:19 PM
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re:
Now what?
Great! Thanks to your collective efforts, I think I
now understand why le, lo and la kandygu'e can be ok.........however, what
about "la kadnygug. cu lamji la mergug" ? Surely
"kadnygug" is not valid. Doesn't CLL state that a CVC
rafsi cannot be at the end of a word?
----- Original Message ----
From: "komfo,amonan" <komfoamonan@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:33:21 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?
On 4/12/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
But in the real world, unless I am writing about alternate universes, I
have only one specific Canada
in mind - so surely it must be "le kadnygu'e"?
Not quite. In the sentence I used before (lo kadnygu'e cu lamji lo mergu'e),
the sense of 'Canada'
is quite clear. But imagine someone leaving Canada & returning years later,
finding it changed, and saying, "The Canada I remember has ceased to
exist." I would go with le there:
le kadnygu'e poi mi morji fi ke'a cu pu co'u zasti
In the real world, Canada
is what it is. But in people's minds, there are different Canadas. You
could use 'la' there too.
As far as "la kadnygu'e" is concerned, "kadnygu'e"
would have to be a name, but section 4.8 of the CLL says "Names may have
almost any form, but always end in a consonant". So how can it
be acceptable?
Take a look at 6:2.6 -2.11. la/lai/la'i can take a selbri as well as a
cmene. But a cmene can only take la/lai/la'i, whereas a selbri can take any of
the gadri (lo, le, la, loi, &c.). The restriction is one-way.
mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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