[lojban-beginners] Re: se gugde?

[ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com>]

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From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:10:03 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: se gugde?


On 6/12/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>  So could these tanru be now turned into lujvo?  Something like
> {flaxa'u} for legal resident, and {flaselgu'e} for citizen?

Yes, those are valid lujvo. I can understand the difference between
{xabju}, the relationship between a person and the place where the
person actually lives, and {flaxa'u}, the abstract relationship between
a person and the place where some law says they live, which may
or may not be where they actually live.

But in the case of {selgu'e}, I'm not sure what {flalu} adds: what territory
belongs to what country and what person belongs to what country are
legal conventions to begin with.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Isn't this analogous to a statement like 'Canadians like to skate'?  In this statement, there is no implication that only citizens of Canada like to skate.  The statement is broad enough to possibly include long-time immigrants who have become, for all intents and purposes, Canadians, but have not gone through the citizenship process.  Wouldn't {selgu'e} describe such a Canadian?  However, we may need to state that only Canadian citizens can skate on the national team - then {flaselgu'e} would make that clear.

mu'o mi'e .andrus.